Card Error Thread - Page 2

Lukas Berger · 11-30-2018, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

There are two Daniel Murphy cards, a 2018 live one with the Cubs and a 2016 All-Star card where his name is Dan T. Murphy … eh... why the different name? Nobody has ever called him Dan Murphy?

It's how he is in the historical db. You'd have to ask Spritze why (it's because of duplicate names, but not sure why Dan T. specifically).

Fixed it in PT anyway.

Westheim · 11-30-2018, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

It's how he is in the historical db. You'd have to ask Spritze why (it's because of duplicate names, but not sure why Dan T. specifically).

Fixed it in PT anyway.

Some research shows four other major leaguers with the name Daniel Murphy. I assume that plays into it.

Dogberry99 · 12-01-2018, 05:33 PM

Are there any non-Live pitcher cards with a tendency of Groundball or Extreme Groundball? I have yet to find a single one [LATE EDIT: There is a Zach Britton 2016 All Star card with the same Extreme Groundball setting as his Live card, so there is at least one].

I do not even know if this rating makes a difference in game play, but assuming it does and that my anecdotal observations do reflect a certain amount of reality, is this something that might require reexamination?

CrazyWR · 12-01-2018, 09:45 PM

disregard, figured it out

osborneman · 12-02-2018, 06:17 AM

Mark Zagunis is listed as a catcher in his card title rather than a left fielder

justafish2002 · 12-02-2018, 11:27 AM

Aaron Boone 2003 should be a 3B (and arguably a Yankee since that's what he was added for)

Lukas Berger · 12-03-2018, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by justafish2002

Aaron Boone 2003 should be a 3B (and arguably a Yankee since that's what he was added for)

Ok, will fix that.

CrazyWR · 12-05-2018, 12:42 PM

Kevin Brown (1998 version at least) is listed as a flyball pitcher? With his heavy sinker, I was expecting extreme groundballer.

Dogberry99 · 12-05-2018, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyWR

Kevin Brown (1998 version at least) is listed as a flyball pitcher? With his heavy sinker, I was expecting extreme groundballer.

I'm pretty sure he's not the only one in this situation.

One thing that may be complicating the issue for some players is when a pitcher relies on ground balls when he's on point but gives up fly balls when he's off his game. I don't know how the game would consider this profile.

zrog2000 · 12-05-2018, 01:10 PM

Isn't that a problem with all historical players? They didn't even start tracking GB/FB rates until 2002.

Dogberry99 · 12-05-2018, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by zrog2000

Isn't that a problem with all historical players? They didn't even start tracking GB/FB rates until 2002.

I've been searching for ground ball pitchers, and I certainly have not found them all. However, based solely on what I have seen... Dan Quisenberry is the only player in this game (with 2 cards that I am aware of, 64 and 68 OVR) from before 2002 to have either GB or EXGB as their tendency. The only other historical cards I've seen to have them are a Zach Britton 2016 All Star and a 2013 Koji Uehara Record Breaker.

So yes, I think you are correct that this is a potential issue for all historic players.

chrondon84 · 12-07-2018, 06:16 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ne...de_to_Pitchers

From the back cover:

A "dictionary" describing virtually every known pitch
The origins and development of baseball's most important pitches
Top ten lists: best fastballs, best spitballs, and everything in between
Biographies of some of the great pitchers who have been overlooked
More knuckleballers and submariners than you ever thought existed
An open debate concerning pitcher abuse and durability
A formula for predicting the Cy Young Award winner
Something fresh and new: Bill James' "Pitcher Codes"

The Neyer/James Guide to Pitchers is about understanding pitchers, and baseball's action always starts with the pitchers. It's also about entertaining debates and having a great deal of fun with the history of a game that obsesses so many.

It has a section that list hundreds of pitchers and what they threw.

You guys at OOTP should order a copy. Solid resource.

George_Bell · 12-09-2018, 10:18 AM

John McDonald's 2010 unsung hero card is ridiculous. No point in having the card if it doesn't resemble the player at all. The card has a 64 power rating and has three positional defensive ratings. 40 at 2b, 28 at 3b and 20 at SS!

John McDonald as an all glove no bat player. He played with the Jays that year and was fantastic as SS. A 20 rating at SS is horrible.

He also hit 6 of his career 28 home runs that year. 6 homers in 63 games. A 64 power rating but a 20 SS rating?

Westheim · 12-10-2018, 01:15 AM

The Ted Abernathy card does not show its year when on the inactive list.

EvvCat · 12-11-2018, 09:06 PM

This may have been brought up somewhere before, but in case it hasn't...

Older relievers and closers don't get the stamina they should for the innings they pitched. At least into the 1980s it was common for star relievers/closers to pitch multiple innings, but I still see stamina in the 16-18 range on guys like that, making them the same stamina-wise as today's guys who think their arm might fall off if they pitch more than one inning.

Examples:
1979 Bruce Sutter
Stamina 17. Actual innings/games: 101.1 in 62 games

1977 Bruce Sutter
Stamina 16. Actual: 107.1 in 62

1976 Rollie Fingers
Stamina 17. Actual: 134.2 in 70

1963 Dick Radatz
Stamina 18. Actual: 132.1 in 66

I'm sure there's plenty more. It was nothing for those guys to pitch two, even three innings closing out games. Shouldn't their stamina be noticeably higher than guys like Kimbrel, Doolittle, etc. from today who sometimes don't even average one full inning per game over a season?

Janks · 12-14-2018, 01:32 PM

Will any of the cards with errors (i.e. Aaron Boone, Bob Hazle, etc.) in the patch on Monday (17-Dec)

Dogberry99 · 12-14-2018, 11:27 PM

Why does the Future Legend Jordan Hicks card list his position as a starting pitcher if his stamina is only 25?

Allowing such a low stamina as a start encourages bullpenning, a strategy the dev team has actively taken steps to minimize.

zrog2000 · 12-17-2018, 01:04 PM

Chris Sale's perfect live card has him listed with a 78 splitter. He has thrown one split finger pitch in his career according to baseball savant. What he actually throws is a 4 seam fastball, a slider, a changeup and rarely a 2 seam fastball which is also considered a sinker. I know that 2 seam fastballs (sinkers) and split fingers sometime resemble each other, but Sale's does not. They actually look more like misread 4 seam fastballs. He's really a 3 pitch pitcher with a slightly different fastball at times.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savan...r-pitching-mlb (scroll down to pitch tracking)

Lukas Berger · 12-18-2018, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by zrog2000

Chris Sale's perfect live card has him listed with a 78 splitter. He has thrown one split finger pitch in his career according to baseball savant. What he actually throws is a 4 seam fastball, a slider, a changeup and rarely a 2 seam fastball which is also considered a sinker. I know that 2 seam fastballs (sinkers) and split fingers sometime resemble each other, but Sale's does not. They actually look more like misread 4 seam fastballs. He's really a 3 pitch pitcher with a slightly different fastball at times.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savan...r-pitching-mlb (scroll down to pitch tracking)

Yeah, this is wrong in the regular OOTP db as well. We'll fix it for next year, but for now will probably keep it as is, since we're trying to limit the amount of changes we make to the cards now.

chazzycat · 12-27-2018, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Clavette

Rickey henderson cards errors. I'm looking at his peak card with an outfield error rating of 34. Looking at his fielding stats lifetime he had 2 or 3 seasons of 10+ errors. Seems off

His peak card seems off to me on the offensive side too. Just pulled one from a pack, was pretty stoked I found my leadoff guy! until I saw the ratings...

Contact and power seem fine, but for a guy 2nd all time in walks, with a 400 career OBP, doesn't 69 eye seem kinda low? I feel like he should be elite there. My understanding is "peak" cards are based on five years from the year listed...his is 1990. Here are his rankings in MLB for BB% those years:

1988: 16th
1989: 2nd
1990: 3rd
1991: 2nd
1992: 3rd

Only one year outside the top 3 best in MLB. If that isn't elite eye, what is?

Then on the strikeout side, his K rate was significantly below league average during his peak years, yet he's got just a 47 rating in avoid K's. In 1990 his K rate was 10% compared to league average of 15%, and the surrounding years are similar. I'm not saying he should be elite on that, but well above average.

Basically it just seems like his skill of putting up elite BB/K ratios (super important for leadoff hitters) is not captured properly.

12-01-2018, 05:33 PM	#23
Dogberry99 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Posts: 1,328	Are there any non-Live pitcher cards with a tendency of Groundball or Extreme Groundball? I have yet to find a single one [LATE EDIT: There is a Zach Britton 2016 All Star card with the same Extreme Groundball setting as his Live card, so there is at least one]. I do not even know if this rating makes a difference in game play, but assuming it does and that my anecdotal observations do reflect a certain amount of reality, is this something that might require reexamination? Last edited by Dogberry99; 12-02-2018 at 03:55 PM.

12-01-2018, 09:45 PM	#24
CrazyWR All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 549	disregard, figured it out Last edited by CrazyWR; 12-02-2018 at 12:14 PM.

12-02-2018, 06:17 AM	#25
osborneman Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Bay Area Posts: 56	Mark Zagunis is listed as a catcher in his card title rather than a left fielder __________________ Go Giants!

12-07-2018, 06:16 PM	#32
chrondon84 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 95	Sweet Book! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ne...de_to_Pitchers From the back cover: A "dictionary" describing virtually every known pitch The origins and development of baseball's most important pitches Top ten lists: best fastballs, best spitballs, and everything in between Biographies of some of the great pitchers who have been overlooked More knuckleballers and submariners than you ever thought existed An open debate concerning pitcher abuse and durability A formula for predicting the Cy Young Award winner Something fresh and new: Bill James' "Pitcher Codes" The Neyer/James Guide to Pitchers is about understanding pitchers, and baseball's action always starts with the pitchers. It's also about entertaining debates and having a great deal of fun with the history of a game that obsesses so many. It has a section that list hundreds of pitchers and what they threw. You guys at OOTP should order a copy. Solid resource.

12-09-2018, 10:18 AM	#33
George_Bell All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,988	John McDonald's 2010 unsung hero card is ridiculous. No point in having the card if it doesn't resemble the player at all. The card has a 64 power rating and has three positional defensive ratings. 40 at 2b, 28 at 3b and 20 at SS! John McDonald as an all glove no bat player. He played with the Jays that year and was fantastic as SS. A 20 rating at SS is horrible. He also hit 6 of his career 28 home runs that year. 6 homers in 63 games. A 64 power rating but a 20 SS rating? __________________ NHL Replay Hall of Fame NHL Replay Cup Champs

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justafish2002 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 106	Aaron Boone 2003 should be a 3B (and arguably a Yankee since that's what he was added for)

12-05-2018, 12:42 PM	#28
CrazyWR All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 549	Kevin Brown (1998 version at least) is listed as a flyball pitcher? With his heavy sinker, I was expecting extreme groundballer.

12-05-2018, 01:10 PM	#30
zrog2000 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 1,335	Isn't that a problem with all historical players? They didn't even start tracking GB/FB rates until 2002.

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12-11-2018, 09:06 PM	#35
EvvCat Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 75	Stamina for Relievers/Closers This may have been brought up somewhere before, but in case it hasn't... Older relievers and closers don't get the stamina they should for the innings they pitched. At least into the 1980s it was common for star relievers/closers to pitch multiple innings, but I still see stamina in the 16-18 range on guys like that, making them the same stamina-wise as today's guys who think their arm might fall off if they pitch more than one inning. Examples: 1979 Bruce Sutter Stamina 17. Actual innings/games: 101.1 in 62 games 1977 Bruce Sutter Stamina 16. Actual: 107.1 in 62 1976 Rollie Fingers Stamina 17. Actual: 134.2 in 70 1963 Dick Radatz Stamina 18. Actual: 132.1 in 66 I'm sure there's plenty more. It was nothing for those guys to pitch two, even three innings closing out games. Shouldn't their stamina be noticeably higher than guys like Kimbrel, Doolittle, etc. from today who sometimes don't even average one full inning per game over a season?

12-14-2018, 01:32 PM	#36
Janks Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 311	Will any of the cards with errors (i.e. Aaron Boone, Bob Hazle, etc.) in the patch on Monday (17-Dec)

12-14-2018, 11:27 PM	#37
Dogberry99 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Posts: 1,328	Why does the Future Legend Jordan Hicks card list his position as a starting pitcher if his stamina is only 25? Allowing such a low stamina as a start encourages bullpenning, a strategy the dev team has actively taken steps to minimize.

12-17-2018, 01:04 PM	#38
zrog2000 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 1,335	Chris Sale's perfect live card has him listed with a 78 splitter. He has thrown one split finger pitch in his career according to baseball savant. What he actually throws is a 4 seam fastball, a slider, a changeup and rarely a 2 seam fastball which is also considered a sinker. I know that 2 seam fastballs (sinkers) and split fingers sometime resemble each other, but Sale's does not. They actually look more like misread 4 seam fastballs. He's really a 3 pitch pitcher with a slightly different fastball at times. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savan...r-pitching-mlb (scroll down to pitch tracking) Last edited by zrog2000; 12-17-2018 at 01:10 PM.