Jeter?

[frankbama]

I know Jeter was not a great defensive SS, but how bad was he? I'm not sure if this is a matter of recalc and a bad year was included in there or OOTP hates him , or if he really was that atrocious but a 30? He's killing me on D. This is 2003 and I just turned on recalc prior to the season after years of not having it on so maybe I also just have to wait until after the season to recalc again (when exactly does it do that? still new.) or if there is some problem. I'm tempted to move him to 2b just to have him theoretically hurt me less even though he'll be terrible there. No room at DH. So...is OOTP a Red Sox fan?

[slugga27]

Well...Markus is a Red Sox fan...

Anyways, I pulled Jeter's stats. He was roughly league average defensively in 2003 (actually very slightly below-average, if you want to get technical).

My question is...you say he's killing you on D. What's his fielding percentage look like? Also...sample size. How many games in are you?

[CBeisbol]

He was probably very bad

FanGraphs has him at 137 runs worse than an average SS for his career.

2003 was actually a good year for him. Again, Fangraphs has him at -3.7 runs (but in just over 1000 innings)

In 2002 and 2004 he was pretty close to average.

Before and after that time period he was frequently around 10 (or more) runs worse than an average SS

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/de...stats#fielding


Edit:
I disagree with slugga, don't look at fielding percentage. That's like *only* looking at batting average to figure out if a player was a good hitter - it leaves out a lot of information.

Look at ZR. It'll give a much more comprehensive view of a player's defense.

[frankbama]

I traded for him 6/8/02 (ironically when Nomar got hurt) and this is 7/10/03 (kept him because Nomar left in FA). I don't see any stats for 2002 so even though I've had him a year it only looks like half a year stats. Through today his zone rating is -25.5. Ouch. "Only" 9 errors but apparently the games in which I play myself seem to be the ones where he botches them. His range factor is 4.05 but I have no idea how bad that is. Andrelton Simmons has had 3.84-4.4 so I don't know how much scale difference is good or bad.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by frankbama

I traded for him 6/8/02 (ironically when Nomar got hurt) and this is 7/10/03 (kept him because Nomar left in FA). I don't see any stats for 2002 so even though I've had him a year it only looks like half a year stats. Through today his zone rating is -25.5. Ouch. "Only" 9 errors but apparently the games in which I play myself seem to be the ones where he botches them. His range factor is 4.05 but I have no idea how bad that is. Andrelton Simmons has had 3.84-4.4 so I don't know how much scale difference is good or bad.

Don't look at range factor. It's largely meaningless.
A bad SS with a ground ball staff will have a higher RF than a good SS with a fly ball or K staff.

This is also a factor in ZR, but it's mitigated because ZR accounts for plays not made whereas RF doesn't


A -25 is terrible. Especially in part of a season.

You mentioned that you just turned on recalc. As I said, in the years preceding your sim Jeter was often a -10 or worse (-23 in 2000).

Looks like you started off with a poor defensive Jeter and the development engine ran with it. He should improve with the recalc next year.

[frankbama]

He'd better be. No one wants to offer anything decent and I have a good feeling my team will be terrible next year.

Thanks for the help. I've had a mental block on fielding advanced stats for some time now.

[jg2977]

Jeter's intangibles should make up for his below average defense

[pgjocki]

Originally Posted by jg2977

Jeter's intangibles should make up for his below average defense

In real life yes, in OOTP I haven't seen anything to suggest that's the case.

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[DonMattingly]

Originally Posted by frankbama

I know Jeter was not a great defensive SS, but how bad was he? I'm not sure if this is a matter of recalc and a bad year was included in there or OOTP hates him , or if he really was that atrocious but a 30? He's killing me on D. This is 2003 and I just turned on recalc prior to the season after years of not having it on so maybe I also just have to wait until after the season to recalc again (when exactly does it do that? still new.) or if there is some problem. I'm tempted to move him to 2b just to have him theoretically hurt me less even though he'll be terrible there. No room at DH. So...is OOTP a Red Sox fan?

I saw a ton of Jeter in RL.

He had horrible range to his left, that was his biggest weakness. Well below average range to his right, but still better than to his left.

He had a pretty strong, accurate throwing arm though. And he had pretty soft hands, he made very few errors. He understood how to play SS well enough, his rating at the position is above average.

A typical year from Jeter, on a 1-100 scale, should probably be something like:

SS: 60
Infield Range: 20
Infield Error: 80
Infield Arm: 65
Turn DP: 55