Pitch around/Pitch To Cont/Visit Mound

cgh3rd · 08-01-2020, 11:23 PM

Hi,

I'm back into the game after many years away.

Kind of forgot a few things.

Pitch around vs. Pitch To Cont? What does Cont mean? I know what pitch around means. What's the difference and impact on the pitches?

Visit mound - Does it help the pitcher or is just a means of wasting time?

Thanks

CBeisbol · 08-01-2020, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cgh3rd

Hi,

I'm back into the game after many years away.

Kind of forgot a few things.

Pitch around vs. Pitch To Cont? What does Cont mean? I know what pitch around means. What's the difference and impact on the pitches?

Visit mound - Does it help the pitcher or is just a means of wasting time?

Thanks

Pitch to contact

No one knows.
Pitch Around is included in the manual. Pitch to Contact, for some reason, is not.
https://manuals.ootpdevelopments.com...=game_controls
As Pitch Around leads to more pitches put of the strike zone, I'd assume that Pitch to Contact leads to more pitches in the strike zone. That's only an assumption, though.

Visiting the mound, I don't know

fredbeene · 08-02-2020, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CBeisbol

Pitch to contact

No one knows.
Pitch Around is included in the manual. Pitch to Contact, for some reason, is not.
https://manuals.ootpdevelopments.com...=game_controls
As Pitch Around leads to more pitches put of the strike zone, I'd assume that Pitch to Contact leads to more pitches in the strike zone. That's only an assumption, though.

Visiting the mound, I don't know

Also pitch to cont (whatever that means) does NOT always pitch to contact....

I wish they would just enable tool tips or give us the ability to turn them on and off.

CBeisbol · 08-03-2020, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by fredbeene

Also pitch to cont (whatever that means) does NOT always pitch to contact....

It means "Pitch to contact"

Pitching to contact doesn't mean that pitchers will always throw strikes or never walk anyone.

Brad K · 08-03-2020, 11:26 AM

Seems to me "Normal" and "Pitch Around" would be better labels.

swoboda · 08-03-2020, 12:14 PM

Watch out for pitch around in the first inning.
When facing a power hitter, I am convinced it is more likely to lead to an extra base hit than a walk in the first inning.

CBeisbol · 08-03-2020, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad K

Seems to me "Normal" and "Pitch Around" would be better labels.

Not if it's working correctly

In relation to normal
Pitch around should lead to more walks and fewer balls in play and home runs
Pitch to contact should lead to more balls in play and home runs and fewer walks

BBGiovanni · 08-05-2020, 08:22 AM

When a pitcher can't, or won't, throw a strike, you may want him to serve up a pitch to hit. It might go at someone and get caught for an out, but at least he won't walk another batter.

In theory. Because if you get this desperate he probably doesn't know where the ball is going anyway. But you may be stuck with him because the rest of the bullpen is tired, there was a rain delay, etc. Whoever described this as the opposite of "pitch around" has it right, and no, it doesn't always work. Neither does telling someone to steal or to pick off a runner.

"Visit mound" does one or more things. It wastes game time, so if you have warmups on, this gives your reliever extra time to finish warming up. Yes, this is dumb and a waste of time but that's how baseball works.

In real baseball, it is also used to give pitchers a breather when they have thrown a lot of pitches in an inning (more than 20) or help them calm down/focus after giving up a couple of hits or walks. Sometimes the pitcher can get the last out of an inning, double play grounder, etc. And, just like pitch around/pitch to contact, it doesn't always work. Because if you had Jacob deGrom throwing a no-hitter on 20 strikeouts, you wouldn't need to tell him any of those things.

I think all these commands model baseball fairly well; the manager tries them to help a pitcher out of a jam, and sometimes it works.

FuzzyDarkness · 08-08-2020, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cgh3rd

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Visit mound - Does it help the pitcher or is just a means of wasting time?
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My answer is based on just one instance today, but... I had my pitcher in a real mess: Nobody out, bases loaded. I made the mound visit and wasn't even thinking about taking him out. After the visit he got a double play and a flyout and got out of the inning. So to me, visiting the mound is always an option from now on.

CBeisbol · 08-08-2020, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyDarkness

My answer is based on just one instance today, but... I had my pitcher in a real mess: Nobody out, bases loaded. I made the mound visit and wasn't even thinking about taking him out. After the visit he got a double play and a flyout and got out of the inning. So to me, visiting the mound is always an option from now on.

Primacy bias

Reed · 08-08-2020, 06:06 PM

Regarding mound visits.
2 or 3 years ago (if I recall correctly) one of the developers said it gave a temporary minor boost to the pitcher.

BBGiovanni · 08-09-2020, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyDarkness

My answer is based on just one instance today, but... I had my pitcher in a real mess: Nobody out, bases loaded. I made the mound visit and wasn't even thinking about taking him out. After the visit he got a double play and a flyout and got out of the inning. So to me, visiting the mound is always an option from now on.

50% of the time it works 100% of the time

juangulo_ · 09-13-2020, 03:47 PM

I think that you use pitch to cont when you want the batter to ground a dobule play

Brad K · 09-14-2020, 10:11 PM

Maybe. I have my team set to very low pitch around. Even when my staff is among the leaders in fewest runs allowed it tends to be among the leaders in home runs allowed.

SR000 · 04-05-2022, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad K

Seems to me "Normal" and "Pitch Around" would be better labels.

Pitch to contact is going to mean your pitcher takes a little off to ensure a strike. Probably not going to throw as hard.

08-01-2020, 11:23 PM	#1
cgh3rd Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 83	Pitch around/Pitch To Cont/Visit Mound Hi, I'm back into the game after many years away. Kind of forgot a few things. Pitch around vs. Pitch To Cont? What does Cont mean? I know what pitch around means. What's the difference and impact on the pitches? Visit mound - Does it help the pitcher or is just a means of wasting time? Thanks

08-03-2020, 12:14 PM	#6
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,220	Watch out for pitch around in the first inning. When facing a power hitter, I am convinced it is more likely to lead to an extra base hit than a walk in the first inning. __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

08-05-2020, 08:22 AM	#8
BBGiovanni All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Republic of California Posts: 1,874	When a pitcher can't, or won't, throw a strike, you may want him to serve up a pitch to hit. It might go at someone and get caught for an out, but at least he won't walk another batter. In theory. Because if you get this desperate he probably doesn't know where the ball is going anyway. But you may be stuck with him because the rest of the bullpen is tired, there was a rain delay, etc. Whoever described this as the opposite of "pitch around" has it right, and no, it doesn't always work. Neither does telling someone to steal or to pick off a runner. "Visit mound" does one or more things. It wastes game time, so if you have warmups on, this gives your reliever extra time to finish warming up. Yes, this is dumb and a waste of time but that's how baseball works. In real baseball, it is also used to give pitchers a breather when they have thrown a lot of pitches in an inning (more than 20) or help them calm down/focus after giving up a couple of hits or walks. Sometimes the pitcher can get the last out of an inning, double play grounder, etc. And, just like pitch around/pitch to contact, it doesn't always work. Because if you had Jacob deGrom throwing a no-hitter on 20 strikeouts, you wouldn't need to tell him any of those things. I think all these commands model baseball fairly well; the manager tries them to help a pitcher out of a jam, and sometimes it works. __________________ Let's Go (San Jose) Giants, Let's Go Mets! Current Project: WBAT/AABBA: Organized Base Ball And the "New Normal" World Baseball Aid Tournament 2023 trophy round underway! Last edited by BBGiovanni; 09-14-2020 at 11:38 AM.

09-13-2020, 03:47 PM	#13
juangulo_ Bat Boy Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: mars Posts: 10	I think that you use pitch to cont when you want the batter to ground a dobule play __________________ -Juan Angulo an attempt of sabermetric it's ok not to be ok

08-03-2020, 11:26 AM	#5
Brad K Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,658 Infractions: 0/2 (3)	Seems to me "Normal" and "Pitch Around" would be better labels.

08-08-2020, 06:06 PM	#11
Reed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 2,339	Regarding mound visits. 2 or 3 years ago (if I recall correctly) one of the developers said it gave a temporary minor boost to the pitcher.

09-14-2020, 10:11 PM	#14
Brad K Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,658 Infractions: 0/2 (3)	Maybe. I have my team set to very low pitch around. Even when my staff is among the leaders in fewest runs allowed it tends to be among the leaders in home runs allowed.