Draft ends early before all picks used

Weasel · 01-09-2022, 09:47 PM

Historical settings, 92 Sens, first draft was 11 rounds, second draft I once again had 11 picks but there were no players left to choose from round 8 on. Made sure that the filter was set to default so no players were excluded but nothing, I had to "AI" pick from round 8 to get out of the draft, I then checked the NHL draft log and sure enough all teams only picked to round 8.

I have the before and after game saved if developers want them.

***Also just noticed my third season begins Jan 20, 95 and ends 3 May!!***

Chris

Adam B · 01-09-2022, 10:41 PM

The Historical Data base mostly consists of players who've played in the NHL/WHA and now some foreign players as well. This means there may be years where there is more picks than players. (although Jeff is slowly backfilling it).

Also: Read up on the 94-95 Lockout.

Weasel · 01-10-2022, 04:34 PM

Ok, understood. I thought FHM auto generated fictitious players to fill things out like EHM does which would make things easy.

Lockout? Hmm, never thought of that, coming from EHM I always played from 2007 onwards. Thanks.

Adam B · 01-10-2022, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weasel

Ok, understood. I thought FHM auto generated fictitious players to fill things out like EHM does which would make things easy.

Lockout? Hmm, never thought of that, coming from EHM I always played from 2007 onwards. Thanks.

Historical is all real players unless you expand the leagues to being too big and then it adds fictional. It will also add fictional eventually if you go into the future too.

belial1134 · 01-11-2022, 02:25 AM

This was the biggest problem I ran into with historical games. I haven't done much in terms of historical games in FHM8 but in FHM7:

2013-14: 187 players available in the draft
2014-15: 183 players available in the draft
2015-16: 135 players available in the draft
2016-17: 91 players available in the draft
2017-18: 64 players available in the draft
2018-19: 44 players available in the draft
2019-20: 38 players available in the draft
2020-21: 31 players available in the draft
2021-2022 it finally generated to where 217 players were drafted. Same for 2022-23

Sounds like FHM8 might be similar in this regard.

Swedishgamefreak · 01-11-2022, 01:24 PM

Yeah I noticed this as well. And only the first round has good players and rest of the other rounds are filled with 1.5-0.5 star potential players.

Weasel · 01-11-2022, 04:45 PM

Thanks for the replies. That is a big disappointment for me, once again coming from EHM what the game does is take old players, say TOE BLAKE and adds a random first name to him, so BOB BLAKE, and puts him back in the game as a prospect, thus the drafts are always full.

Devs have to realize players will be more than happy with fictitious players, not every player needs to be a real human.

Adam B · 01-11-2022, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weasel

Thanks for the replies. That is a big disappointment for me, once again coming from EHM what the game does is take old players, say TOE BLAKE and adds a random first name to him, so BOB BLAKE, and puts him back in the game as a prospect, thus the drafts are always full.

Devs have to realize players will be more than happy with fictitious players, not every player needs to be a real human.

That would defeat the purpose of historical mode.

Jeff is slowly adding every single player who was draft, but he's doing it as he can. He will get there eventually though. Until then (especially years closer to the present) the draft will have less players available (as not many play in the NHL in their first years anymore).

Weasel · 01-11-2022, 09:58 PM

I will disagree with you, respectfully, I think if the original rosters and maybe the first draft year are real, and then it starts fleshing out with fake players it would be ok. Just my opinion of course, and you know about those.

**I have now begun trading away my high picks as I have no idea if there is going to be anyone to pick with them, thus my 2nd &3rd + 2** player just went for a 3*** player, at least I know I will get a quality player and not an empty draft pick**

JeffR · 01-12-2022, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belial1134

This was the biggest problem I ran into with historical games. I haven't done much in terms of historical games in FHM8 but in FHM7:

2013-14: 187 players available in the draft
2014-15: 183 players available in the draft
2015-16: 135 players available in the draft
2016-17: 91 players available in the draft
2017-18: 64 players available in the draft
2018-19: 44 players available in the draft
2019-20: 38 players available in the draft
2020-21: 31 players available in the draft
2021-2022 it finally generated to where 217 players were drafted. Same for 2022-23

Sounds like FHM8 might be similar in this regard.

Or maybe it isn't:

2013-14: 210
2014-15: 190
2015-16: 164
2016-17: 142
2017-18: 123
2018-19: 101
2019-20: 95
2020-21: 91
2021-22: 89

As Adam said, I've been adding the more recent draftees, and continue to do so when I have time.

The reason the draft gets larger after the final real season is that a historical game, at that point, converts itself to a custom game, and begins using the fictional draft prospect generation mechanics.

There's no way, without a whole bunch of additional coding, to use random prospect generation prior to that. And it would be counter to the idea of a historical game if there was. It's one thing to fictionalize 2022+ because, at that point, the game isn't modeling history any more. It's quite another to start introducing fake players into pre-2022 years.

Weasel · 01-12-2022, 02:12 PM

My reason for buying FHM was for the historical teams, I will keep going with my 92 Sens and see how things work out draft wise, but I think the best tactic is trade those picks away for established 22 year old players which I will continue to do.

Better the bird in the hand....

jumpSeat · 01-12-2022, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffR

There's no way, without a whole bunch of additional coding, to use random prospect generation prior to that. And it would be counter to the idea of a historical game if there was. It's one thing to fictionalize 2022+ because, at that point, the game isn't modeling history any more. It's quite another to start introducing fake players into pre-2022 years.

Agreed. I can accept the necessity of fictitious players in the future, but if we start introducing them into the past... Then the whole game becomes little more than a work of fiction.

Weasel · 01-14-2022, 04:29 PM

Not wanting to risk being stuck with empty draft picks I traded away my picks (1-6) for two seasons, plus my 30ish age players except for one, for young 22-24 year old talent. I must admit, if they play the way they did in real life I am loaded with talent:

Defence: Gonchar/Hamrlik/Ozolinch

LW: Kozlov/Demitra/Moreau/Kapanen

C: Yashin/Larionov (my 30yo)/Zhamnov/Lindgren

RW: (really loaded, need to trade for some better C) Alfredsson/Holmstrom/Bertuzzi/Sundstrom/Bure/Walker/Jones/McInnis

G: Dafoe/Hedburg/Vokoun...and....TYLER MOSS! I picked him because I watched his entire junior career with the Kingston Frontenacs.

01-09-2022, 09:47 PM	#1
Weasel Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 8	Draft ends early before all picks used Historical settings, 92 Sens, first draft was 11 rounds, second draft I once again had 11 picks but there were no players left to choose from round 8 on. Made sure that the filter was set to default so no players were excluded but nothing, I had to "AI" pick from round 8 to get out of the draft, I then checked the NHL draft log and sure enough all teams only picked to round 8. I have the before and after game saved if developers want them. *Also just noticed my third season begins Jan 20, 95 and ends 3 May!!* Chris Last edited by Weasel; 01-09-2022 at 10:06 PM.

01-09-2022, 10:41 PM	#2
Adam B Hockey Community Manager Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: A Hockey Rink Posts: 2,485	The Historical Data base mostly consists of players who've played in the NHL/WHA and now some foreign players as well. This means there may be years where there is more picks than players. (although Jeff is slowly backfilling it). Also: Read up on the 94-95 Lockout. __________________ *Come Watch Adam and Jeff's Live Twitch Streams Every Wednesday Night at 11pm Eastern on the FHM Twitch Channel and the OOTP Twitch Channel* Last edited by Adam B; 01-09-2022 at 11:09 PM.

01-10-2022, 04:34 PM	#3
Weasel Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 8	Ok, understood. I thought FHM auto generated fictitious players to fill things out like EHM does which would make things easy. Lockout? Hmm, never thought of that, coming from EHM I always played from 2007 onwards. Thanks. Last edited by Weasel; 01-10-2022 at 04:35 PM.

01-11-2022, 04:45 PM	#7
Weasel Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 8	Thanks for the replies. That is a big disappointment for me, once again coming from EHM what the game does is take old players, say TOE BLAKE and adds a random first name to him, so BOB BLAKE, and puts him back in the game as a prospect, thus the drafts are always full. Devs have to realize players will be more than happy with fictitious players, not every player needs to be a real human. Last edited by Weasel; 01-11-2022 at 05:49 PM. Reason: delete stupid comment

01-11-2022, 09:58 PM	#9
Weasel Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 8	I will disagree with you, respectfully, I think if the original rosters and maybe the first draft year are real, and then it starts fleshing out with fake players it would be ok. Just my opinion of course, and you know about those. I have now begun trading away my high picks as I have no idea if there is going to be anyone to pick with them, thus my 2nd &3rd + 2 player just went for a 3* player, at least I know I will get a quality player and not an empty draft pick Last edited by Weasel; 01-11-2022 at 10:00 PM.

01-11-2022, 02:25 AM	#5
belial1134 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 390	This was the biggest problem I ran into with historical games. I haven't done much in terms of historical games in FHM8 but in FHM7: 2013-14: 187 players available in the draft 2014-15: 183 players available in the draft 2015-16: 135 players available in the draft 2016-17: 91 players available in the draft 2017-18: 64 players available in the draft 2018-19: 44 players available in the draft 2019-20: 38 players available in the draft 2020-21: 31 players available in the draft 2021-2022 it finally generated to where 217 players were drafted. Same for 2022-23 Sounds like FHM8 might be similar in this regard.

01-11-2022, 01:24 PM	#6
Swedishgamefreak Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 187	Yeah I noticed this as well. And only the first round has good players and rest of the other rounds are filled with 1.5-0.5 star potential players.

01-12-2022, 02:12 PM	#11
Weasel Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 8	My reason for buying FHM was for the historical teams, I will keep going with my 92 Sens and see how things work out draft wise, but I think the best tactic is trade those picks away for established 22 year old players which I will continue to do. Better the bird in the hand....

01-14-2022, 04:29 PM	#13
Weasel Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 8	Loaded! Not wanting to risk being stuck with empty draft picks I traded away my picks (1-6) for two seasons, plus my 30ish age players except for one, for young 22-24 year old talent. I must admit, if they play the way they did in real life I am loaded with talent: Defence: Gonchar/Hamrlik/Ozolinch LW: Kozlov/Demitra/Moreau/Kapanen C: Yashin/Larionov (my 30yo)/Zhamnov/Lindgren RW: (really loaded, need to trade for some better C) Alfredsson/Holmstrom/Bertuzzi/Sundstrom/Bure/Walker/Jones/McInnis G: Dafoe/Hedburg/Vokoun...and....TYLER MOSS! I picked him because I watched his entire junior career with the Kingston Frontenacs.