Catcher framing

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by der_k

Maybe a foolish question but - how is this different from "catcher ability"?

I think pitch framing had been based on catcher ability and it sounds like that is changing. Catcher ability also covers things like passed ball frequency and error rates on balls catchers field.

[Reed]

Since good framing saves runs I imagine a good framer will get a boost to his WAR. Is it safe to assume then that the pitcher will get a decrease in WAR if he pitches to a good framer?

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Reed

Since good framing saves runs I imagine a good framer will get a boost to his WAR. Is it safe to assume then that the pitcher will get a decrease in WAR if he pitches to a good framer?

The game uses I believe bWAR, which does not take pitcher framing into account.

[crowhop]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Yes, you will be able to adjust the framing impact on a scale. So modern day will play at one level, and historical games where framing was likely less pervasive will play at lower levels. And you can obviously turn it off entirely if you wish your robo umps to never be fooled

Will the other IF Ratings impact Catchers (IF Range, Error, Arm, Double Play) now? Or will there now be three ratings for the Catcher (Ability, Arm, Framing)?

[whaleheader]

I believe BBRef has incorporated framing for some time.

I’m sure catcher framing has been around forever. Until a few years ago, though, it wasn’t quantified and studied. As a result the spread should be much smaller as more coaching staffs teach the fundamentals better.

Brad Ausmus, for one example, was considered a catcher good at stealing strikes.

So, I’d say historically there would be guys just as good as today’s best framers but in the past these guys would be more outliers.

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by crowhop

Will the other IF Ratings impact Catchers (IF Range, Error, Arm, Double Play) now? Or will there now be three ratings for the Catcher (Ability, Arm, Framing)?

The ratings actually are not changing - still just the 2 for catchers actually. But the impact and effect of framing is different. Plus stats for it

[Reed]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

The ratings actually are not changing - still just the 2 for catchers actually. But the impact and effect of framing is different. Plus stats for it

Thanks. This is good to know, and interesting.

[Syd Thrift]

Looks like I was wrong about bWAR not taking pitch framing into account.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/a...position.shtml

[Kobeck]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

The game basically uses a “one pitch mode” behind the scenes, that is, it figures out results on a per plate appearance basis, not a per count basis. So the answer is, 100%.

interesting... so decisions to have the batter take a pitch and such have no impact

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Kobeck

interesting... so decisions to have the batter take a pitch and such have no impact

They have an impact inasmuch as you can cheese the game by having batters take until they have two strikes and earn a bunch of extra walks that way…

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

They have an impact inasmuch as you can cheese the game by having batters take until they have two strikes and earn a bunch of extra walks that way…

That might be different this year

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

That might be different this year

[Mat]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

That might be different this year

Nice!

[BusterKing]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

That might be different this year

Please tell

[texasmame]

Where is the rating for this or is it just a stat kept now?

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by texasmame

Where is the rating for this or is it just a stat kept now?

I think Matt said it was still based on Catcher Ability; however, they were figuring its effects differently.