trade after trade deadine

dmitry · 06-13-2022, 03:29 PM

began to appear, at first they began to choose exchanges too often (for example, in ehm without settings they work perfectly, each team is strengthened, or gives back to the leaders if there is a rebuild). Reduced the frequency of exchanges, but now I see a bug that makes me just not want to play the game anymore: computer exchanges are made after the exchange deadline and at the same time these players play immediately for the base, although this is impossible according to the rules of the league!

Adam B · 06-13-2022, 03:35 PM

Without seeing your save, it's impossible to know for sure but it sounds like something may have wrong with finances forcing a lot of moves as the AI tries to figure out what to do. We'd need to see the save though.

For the record or another note; just like baseball, trading after the deadline isn't illegal, it just doesn't happen often because the player can't play in the post season.

dmitry · 06-13-2022, 03:41 PM

can't play only in post season?in regular could?

dmitry · 06-13-2022, 03:43 PM

While there is a specific deadline for trades, teams can still acquire players from other clubs after March 21.

The caveat is that any player traded after the March 21 deadline is not eligible to play in any regular season or playoff games for their new teams.

If any deals are done post-deadline, it typically involves AHL players.

dmitry · 06-13-2022, 03:52 PM

Could you answer the same? on the basis of what does the exchange take place in large quantities? often see what exchange teams do without supervision? the team is in restructuring, but for some reason gives away its picks to very senior players?

dmitry · 06-13-2022, 03:54 PM

or a prime example. the team enters the conference in 1st place and, after the dead line, exchanges its player for a new one, which they put in the 2nd link. why give away and most importantly why put what you got in 2nd link if he can't play in the playoffs?

dmitry · 06-13-2022, 05:52 PM

was in the playoffs now and these players were playing even though they were all traded after the deadline(

dmitry · 06-13-2022, 06:11 PM

where can i find a save files? i use a macos, in foulder ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/userdata and etc it has not

jilech · 06-13-2022, 08:56 PM

Saved games on Mac are hidden very deep in folder system:

/Users/USERNAME/Library/Containers/Franchise Hockey Manager 8/Data/Library/Application Support/Out of the Park Developments/Franchise Hockey Manager 8/saved_games

JeffR · 06-14-2022, 03:11 AM

Are you seeing actual trades, or are they waiver pickups or free agent signings? It shouldn't be possible for any teams in the game, AI or human, to make trades after the deadline, and I can't find any examples of that happening when I look through the trade histories in several test games.

If you can upload the save where you saw this (see https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=332673 for uploading instructions), I'd like to take a look at it.

dmitry · 06-14-2022, 09:35 AM

i have send. the name is dimkysh

JeffR · 06-14-2022, 02:48 PM

Got it, thanks. Very odd. All but one the post-deadline trades are player-for-pick, which could theoretically be a cap-compliance move in extreme circumstances like Adam mentioned. But I don't see any indication that any of the teams had a cap problem on that date, or anything (like a player returning from the injured list) that might have caused one, so that can't be it.

They do all seem to be a similar type of trade - a 2-3 star player on one of the lower lines for a draft pick, or, in one case, a player of similar ability. That would see to indicate one particular AI trade strategy is ignoring the deadline, but the system doesn't work that way - the AI routine that decides on what type of trade to attempt just doesn't operate after the deadline happens. It can't call for any type of trade after that point, so there's no real way for a single kind of deal to get around that restriction.

I'm wondering if there might be some sort of delay with trade execution happening somehow, where the deals are being made before the deadline but not being completed until days or weeks later for some reason. We'll have to do some further investigating to figure out exactly what's going on here, but that's probably the first thing we'll need to check.

06-13-2022, 03:29 PM	#1
dmitry Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2022 Posts: 11	trade after trade deadine began to appear, at first they began to choose exchanges too often (for example, in ehm without settings they work perfectly, each team is strengthened, or gives back to the leaders if there is a rebuild). Reduced the frequency of exchanges, but now I see a bug that makes me just not want to play the game anymore: computer exchanges are made after the exchange deadline and at the same time these players play immediately for the base, although this is impossible according to the rules of the league!

06-13-2022, 03:35 PM	#2
Adam B Hockey Community Manager Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: A Hockey Rink Posts: 2,485	Without seeing your save, it's impossible to know for sure but it sounds like something may have wrong with finances forcing a lot of moves as the AI tries to figure out what to do. We'd need to see the save though. For the record or another note; just like baseball, trading after the deadline isn't illegal, it just doesn't happen often because the player can't play in the post season. __________________ *Come Watch Adam and Jeff's Live Twitch Streams Every Wednesday Night at 11pm Eastern on the FHM Twitch Channel and the OOTP Twitch Channel*

06-13-2022, 03:52 PM	#5
dmitry Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2022 Posts: 11	Could you answer the same? on the basis of what does the exchange take place in large quantities? often see what exchange teams do without supervision? the team is in restructuring, but for some reason gives away its picks to very senior players? Last edited by dmitry; 06-13-2022 at 04:06 PM.

06-13-2022, 03:41 PM	#3
dmitry Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2022 Posts: 11	can't play only in post season?in regular could?

06-13-2022, 03:43 PM	#4
dmitry Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2022 Posts: 11	While there is a specific deadline for trades, teams can still acquire players from other clubs after March 21. The caveat is that any player traded after the March 21 deadline is not eligible to play in any regular season or playoff games for their new teams. If any deals are done post-deadline, it typically involves AHL players.

06-13-2022, 03:54 PM	#6
dmitry Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2022 Posts: 11	or a prime example. the team enters the conference in 1st place and, after the dead line, exchanges its player for a new one, which they put in the 2nd link. why give away and most importantly why put what you got in 2nd link if he can't play in the playoffs?

06-13-2022, 05:52 PM	#7
dmitry Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2022 Posts: 11	was in the playoffs now and these players were playing even though they were all traded after the deadline(

06-13-2022, 06:11 PM	#8
dmitry Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2022 Posts: 11	where can i find a save files? i use a macos, in foulder ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/userdata and etc it has not

06-13-2022, 08:56 PM	#9
jilech Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Denmark Posts: 64	Saved games on Mac are hidden very deep in folder system: /Users/USERNAME/Library/Containers/Franchise Hockey Manager 8/Data/Library/Application Support/Out of the Park Developments/Franchise Hockey Manager 8/saved_games

06-14-2022, 03:11 AM	#10
JeffR FHM Producer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kelowna, BC Posts: 17,231	Are you seeing actual trades, or are they waiver pickups or free agent signings? It shouldn't be possible for any teams in the game, AI or human, to make trades after the deadline, and I can't find any examples of that happening when I look through the trade histories in several test games. If you can upload the save where you saw this (see https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=332673 for uploading instructions), I'd like to take a look at it.

06-14-2022, 09:35 AM	#11
dmitry Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2022 Posts: 11	i have send. the name is dimkysh

06-14-2022, 02:48 PM	#12
JeffR FHM Producer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kelowna, BC Posts: 17,231	Got it, thanks. Very odd. All but one the post-deadline trades are player-for-pick, which could theoretically be a cap-compliance move in extreme circumstances like Adam mentioned. But I don't see any indication that any of the teams had a cap problem on that date, or anything (like a player returning from the injured list) that might have caused one, so that can't be it. They do all seem to be a similar type of trade - a 2-3 star player on one of the lower lines for a draft pick, or, in one case, a player of similar ability. That would see to indicate one particular AI trade strategy is ignoring the deadline, but the system doesn't work that way - the AI routine that decides on what type of trade to attempt just doesn't operate after the deadline happens. It can't call for any type of trade after that point, so there's no real way for a single kind of deal to get around that restriction. I'm wondering if there might be some sort of delay with trade execution happening somehow, where the deals are being made before the deadline but not being completed until days or weeks later for some reason. We'll have to do some further investigating to figure out exactly what's going on here, but that's probably the first thing we'll need to check.