Historical database issues go here!

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by kjsjr

I noticed there was another user who mentioned what I believe is the same issue elsewhere, but the replies were unhelpful and dismissive on that thread and I can't find it now, so I'll post the observation here, hopefully in a crystal clear way. I'll set up the issue as a little experiment that's easy to reproduce, so hopefully devs et al. see clearly what I mean.

4 test groups:

a) Catchers OOTP 20 have MLB experience in real life
b) Catchers OOTP 20 no MLB experience in real life (played in minors only)
c) Catchers OOTP 21 have MLB experience in real life
d) Catchers OOTP 21 no MLB experience in real life (played in minors only)


Start OOTP20, setup a historical game, I chose from the Golden Age era but I don't think it matters. Let the game be created, and save it. Do the same using the same settings in OOTP21. Save. I took no in-game actions (i.e. altered nothing, did nothing, I just looked at ratings in the games that OOTP20 and OOTP21 created).

Now in these games you've set up, look at catcher ratings (I used the player editor to get the rating, to make sure it wasn't a scouting error, but the true number rating). Catchers in group d above will have higher defensive ratings than catchers from the other 3 groups. An unusual number of catchers from that group will have almost perfect defensive ability.

I can think of no rationale for this, I cannot believe it was intentional, and I reproduced it on different machines with fresh installs a few times, so here you go, historical db bug issue report.

For myself, I wish I could simply use whatever method converted historical stats to ratings in OOTP20 to do that for OOTP21.

i may just be missing something obvious but i currently cannot recreate this challenge. minor league catchers average ratings are within normal parametrs ear as i can find. if you have specific playe names and years available i can check them out

[David Watts]

1977--Steve Foucalt is a member of the Detroit Tigers, but so is Willie Horton. Foucalt was traded to the Tigers on April 12th 1977 in exchange for Willie Horton.

[Splitter24]

Originally Posted by Spritze

i may just be missing something obvious but i currently cannot recreate this challenge. minor league catchers average ratings are within normal parametrs ear as i can find. if you have specific playe names and years available i can check them out

I'm a little late to this, but I've seen this as well. The first historical league I imported was 1982, using 1-100 ratings. Scanning the rosters, every team's real-life AAA catcher had a 100 defense rating. Saw the same issue with 1987, too. I played the 1987 league up through 1995. Inevitably, each draft would be loaded with 2 1/2 star potential catchers with 100 defense. It does seem to be an issue with catchers who made it up to AAA in real-life but never played in the majors.

[chriskelly]

Not sure if this is a bug. I started a historical league, 2007. Ratings on 100% accurate, 20-80 system. I'm finding pitchers with 40/50 ratings, but their indivual pitch ratings are all 1. 30 year old Ryan Dreese is 1 of them. Another has decent 40/40 split, but movement is a 1. I tried re-starting a league but found the same issue.

[Im New to This]

I'm 36 years into a slightly customized Live Start game and I decided to go back to team histories and it was saying that a ton of teams started in 1871 even though that's technically no possible, and it says that the Red Sox and Yankees started in 1882 even though they both weren't founded until 20 years later.

Anyone know if this a bug or a file locating error?

Also I opened up a new standard game and that mistake was still there.

Any help would be great, but it's not supper urgent I guess.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Im New to This

I'm 36 years into a slightly customized Live Start game and I decided to go back to team histories and it was saying that a ton of teams started in 1871 even though that's technically no possible, and it says that the Red Sox and Yankees started in 1882 even though they both weren't founded until 20 years later.

Anyone know if this a bug or a file locating error?

Also I opened up a new standard game and that mistake was still there.

Any help would be great, but it's not supper urgent I guess.

Two things:

1. If you select Import Complete History at start up, then you're going to get history that reaches back to before the start of your league. For example, if you started your league in 1901, you'll still get history that goes back to the beginning. I'm guessing you probably know this, and that this isn't the issue. But just fyi, in case...

2. Pre-1901 historical MLB leagues are not historically accurate in OOTP. Presumably this is because the lack of stability in both the pre-1901 major leagues, and the with the teams involved. So, in the case of your examples, in OOTP the current Red Sox franchise goes back to 1882, first as the Louisville Eclipse/Colonels, then as the Boston Reds & Americans... And the Yankees, too, started in 1882, as the Baltimore Orioles before become the NY Yankees...

Note: If you want to see what OOTP has for MLB teams & structure:
a. Go to your stats folder (C:\Program Files...\Out of the Park Baseball 21\data\stats) and make a copy of the Teams.csv file.
b. Open your copy and - optional, but it's cleaner - hide columns E thru AN, then enable filters.
c. Filter on, for example, Franchise = BOS or NYY to see the Sox' or Yankees' history. Or filter on lgID = AL or NL to see the composition of OOTP's pre-1901 American and National Leagues.

[Im New to This]

Originally Posted by thehef

Two things:

1. If you select Import Complete History at start up, then you're going to get history that reaches back to before the start of your league. For example, if you started your league in 1901, you'll still get history that goes back to the beginning. I'm guessing you probably know this, and that this isn't the issue. But just fyi, in case...

2. Pre-1901 historical MLB leagues are not historically accurate in OOTP. Presumably this is because the lack of stability in both the pre-1901 major leagues, and the with the teams involved. So, in the case of your examples, in OOTP the current Red Sox franchise goes back to 1882, first as the Louisville Eclipse/Colonels, then as the Boston Reds & Americans... And the Yankees, too, started in 1882, as the Baltimore Orioles before become the NY Yankees...

Note: If you want to see what OOTP has for MLB teams & structure:
a. Go to your stats folder (C:\Program Files...\Out of the Park Baseball 21\data\stats) and make a copy of the Teams.csv file.
b. Open your copy and - optional, but it's cleaner - hide columns E thru AN, then enable filters.
c. Filter on, for example, Franchise = BOS or NYY to see the Sox' or Yankees' history. Or filter on lgID = AL or NL to see the composition of OOTP's pre-1901 American and National Leagues.

Thanks for that info!! I'll keep that in mind for my next simulation.

[SlimKibbles]

Apologies if I missed this issue being posted elsewhere. I couldn't find it in a search.

I started a historical play in 1901 with the Reds. In 1932 when minor leagues really came to be used more, I noticed Edd Roush appeared on my roster after the minor league database loaded in November 1931 during the offseason. Roush never played for my Reds in the game and retired in the game after the 1930 season. In real life he rejoined the Reds in 1931 to finish his career. Thought it was a one-off deal, let him rot in the minors for two seasons, and he retired again in 1932. Sparky Adams appeared on the roster after the Nov minor league load in 1933. He never was on my Reds team in the game and retired after the 1932 season. In real life, the Reds were the last of three teams he played for in 1933 and then he played one last season with the Reds in 1934.

Screenshots are below. Anyone else had this happen? I never noticed anything prior to 1932 but I only knew there was an issue because the game told me I had someone on my roster in which I needed to do something.

[jblemmon1981]

Random era players, is there a reason why every draft class all players are listed as fragile with 160 injury ratings across the board?

[jadamanderson]

Did you ever get a resolution? I'm having a similar issue.

[jadamanderson]

Originally Posted by bernstde

I am trying run historical leagues on a mac, one online league (1994 season) and an offline league (1989). I am not sure if my player database is corrupt, however, I have seen an issue in two cases:

1) I cannot bring in a full amateur draft class when I am trying to bring in the player pool (only loads 23 players).
2) I am trying to create a 1989 historical start, and it is not bringing in the full teams (only see 7 prospects).

Can someone help? My path to the historical database is:
/Users/dbernstein/Library/Containers/com.ootpdevelopments.ootp21macqlm/Data/Library/Application Support/Out of the Park Developments/OOTP Baseball 21/stats/

Please help!

Did you ever get a fix for this, having similar issue. Thank you!

[jadamanderson]

Can someone help to fix our draft pool reveal of only 169 players? I deleted the pool, changed the reveal date and the same class imported. Frustrating!