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Hey, hey, Tigers scored 14 runs in one game?
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Hopefully they didn't use up all their runs for the week.
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"19" A pause. "Did they win?"
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CBS Sports article about the Tigers' woes: Tigers' path back undone by injuries, poor play
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Hey, Chris. How you been? Check your PMs lately?
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Who gets traded?
With this season a bust and the trade deadline just a little over a month away, who do you think the Tigers (try to or are willing to) unload? I do think the Tigers are done rebuilding and are now on the build side of things, but this is a lost year so trading any player is really just to see what can be gotten for them.
I think the Tigers who make that list are: Candelario* Schoop* Grossman** Barnhart*** *because they have Kody Clemens and the Castros to fill in whatever gaps are created. Also Grossman ** because the organization has a lot of outfielders ***because he's a valuable catcher who'll be a free agent at the end of the year Having said this, I'm not sure if any of these guys will draw any interest. Maybe Barnhart for his defense but that's about it. Thoughts?
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I guess I forgot about pitchers. Fulmer and Soto might be on the list too. Though I think it would behoove the Tigers to hold onto Fulmer.
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I hope they don't go into sell mode. Stick with the plan. This is a good group suffering catastrophic levels of injury. In addition to the players stacked up like cordwood on the IL, they have Spencer Turnbull and Jake Rodgers coming back late this year.
Don't give up so easily!
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Did the Tigers rework their scouting and player development personnel around 2017/2018? Since 2018, they have done a much better job in the draft (some of this may be due to the talent pools being better with high picks) while also developing said players on a decent trajectory. Their first round picks have been great, but they've done a much better job beyond the first round as well with picks like Dillion Dingler, Ty Madden, and Izaac Pacheco. They've found some international prospects early as well, like Roberto Campos and Cristian Santana.
If they can keep AJ Hinch in charge with Chris Fetter as the pitching coach, I think Detroit will be a very good team in the next year or two. |
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For some reason this "Athletic" article is not blocked by the pay wall. Gives some nice insight as to why it took so long to diagnose Casey Mize's injury. Thought fellow Tigers fans would enjoy it.
https://theathletic.com/3359838/2022...ze-tommy-john/ |
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Also, another reason I don't blame Avila yet is because he did revamp the entire player development pipeline and staff during the previous off-season. https://www.blessyouboys.com/2021/9/...elopment-staff https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sp...22/9121533002/ Last edited by Cod; 06-26-2022 at 06:37 PM. |
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I'll have to do some historical research to better understand. I do think it would be fair to wait a couple of seasons to see how Graham truly plays out because he recently hired all new hitting and pitching coordinators. One of the new pitching coordinators was Casey Mize's coaches from Auburn. Then again, I could be completely off base after doing some research into the past decade of Detroit player development. Also, the scouts should be held accountable as well because let's be honest, some guys just aren't coach-able and have no work ethic (aka Elijah Dukes). |
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Doing some research on BR, I found the Tigers are averaging ~2.80 runs per game as of mid-June. Through the same amount of games, this is the lowest of any team since World War II. Even worse, after 59 games, the TIgers posted a team line of .218/.276/.317. That is absolutely terrible...no ifs, ands, or buts.
After, I took a look at the Detroit hitting coach, Scott Coolbaugh. Before Detroit, he was the hitting coach for the Orioles (2015-18), a White Sox assistant (2020), and random minor league organizations. Look at these numbers during his time with the Orioles: 2018 .239 .298 .391 .689Other than 2018, his teams were hitting in line with the MLB averages (+/- a few percentage points). Coolbaugh's performance with CWS in 2020 was above the MLB average. I read that AJ Hinch doesn't allow Coolbaugh to talk to the media, so nobody knows what Coolbaugh's philosophy is, etc.. Did AJ Hinch have this mentality in Houston? Or is it something specific to Coolbaugh? Ken Rosenthal wrote a lengthy article about Detroit's offensive problems last week, but I haven't had a chance to read it yet. You can find the article here: https://theathletic.com/3377830/2022...ailing-season/ |
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So if it is not philosophy then is it what you were alluding to earlier about coaching head strong players? My worry with the whole Javy Baez deal was you were adding a guy who has one of the worst profiles into a lineup that already had way too much swing and miss. The few hot, streaky weeks he will give you will not make it worth the investment. At this point in his career I don't think a hitting coach has any chance of reaching him. His game is obvious and established and the Tigers signed him anyway. I also don't think it helped that certain players out preformed their career numbers last year. When they regressed to their historical performances in a year where hitting is down across the league we have serious issues. I have also yet to hear (maybe its out there and I haven't found it) any of the players giving any credit to Scott working with them. I routinely hear it with the pitchers and Chris Fetter. (Although admittedly, the Tigers rank near the bottom in first pitch strike percentage as well) Still, players are giving Chris credit for helping them with their development where you just aren't hearing it with Scott. Last edited by Hrycaj; 06-27-2022 at 07:53 AM. |
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If they decide to re-start the re-build, I may have to just stop caring for a period of years for the first time in my 50 or so years of fandom.
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