What age do you promote from International Complex?

[lukestephens2293]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

I think he meant time as a pro. Meaning that they would become MiL FA after 6 years and also could be subjected to the rule 5 draft sooner

ahh right

[jimmysthebestcop]

Originally Posted by lukestephens2293

ahh right

Yup if you promote someone at 16 he will be Rule 5 eligible at 21. Even if he has super star potential if he is still in single A no team will draft him so you don't have to waste a 40 man spot on him.

Now if he is AA or AAA material or even A+ then you have to burn a 40 man spot on him.

For sure they develop faster in the minors then the complex. Just have to manage your 40 man.

[lukestephens2293]

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

Yup if you promote someone at 16 he will be Rule 5 eligible at 21. Even if he has super star potential if he is still in single A no team will draft him so you don't have to waste a 40 man spot on him.

Now if he is AA or AAA material or even A+ then you have to burn a 40 man spot on him.

For sure they develop faster in the minors then the complex. Just have to manage your 40 man.

so its best not promoting them until there 18 or 19 is that what you're saying?

[jimmysthebestcop]

Originally Posted by lukestephens2293

so its best not promoting them until there 18 or 19 is that what you're saying?

i promote a lot at 16 depends how good they are. you have to look at each one individually just know if you are in the minors the clock is running and while they are in the complex its not running. the service time clock that is

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

i promote a lot at 16 depends how good they are. you have to look at each one individually just know if you are in the minors the clock is running and while they are in the complex its not running. the service time clock that is

Not service time, pro time

[jimmysthebestcop]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

Not service time, pro time

technically both are running. i wasn't specific enough or i miss spoke. so yeah pro time is for the 40 man and service time is in case you have service time limits for your minor leagues.

I do have service time limits enabled so you got to hope if you promote a 16 year old kid that he develops cause he can only play in DSL for 3 years then he has to make the jump up to A ball or get cut.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

technically both are running. i wasn't specific enough or i miss spoke. so yeah pro time is for the 40 man and service time is in case you have service time limits for your minor leagues.

I do have service time limits enabled so you got to hope if you promote a 16 year old kid that he develops cause he can only play in DSL for 3 years then he has to make the jump up to A ball or get cut.

you have it backwards. Service time refers to time spent on the active major league roster. Pro time is all time as a professional, i.e. minor leagues and major leagues

[andyhdz]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

you have it backwards. Service time refers to time spent on the active major league roster. Pro time is all time as a professional, i.e. minor leagues and major leagues

Yes. And to correct my post I said service time runs in the complex which i meant to say pro time. So lets say hes in the complex since he was 16 and and you move him stateside 3 years later. He'll already have 3 years of pro time. It affects him if you have pro year limits on you minor league levels plus hes halfway to minor league free agency if hes not moved to the 40 man roster in 3 years (unless he takes a minor league extension). Of course sadly many are cut before all of this. See the movie Sugar if you want to see the reality of all this.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by andyhdz

Yes. And to correct my post I said service time runs in the complex which i meant to say pro time. So lets say hes in the complex since he was 16 and and you move him stateside 3 years later. He'll already have 3 years of pro time. It affects him if you have pro year limits on you minor league levels plus hes halfway to minor league free agency if hes not moved to the 40 man roster in 3 years (unless he takes a minor league extension). Of course sadly many are cut before all of this. See the movie Sugar if you want to see the reality of all this.

Huge thanks for the movie suggestion! I've been on a bit of a sports movie binge lately, but I haven't heard of that one

[slugga27]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

They are always autopromoted at age 20. (not sure how far back that goes, but it was in 20.. and 19 I believe)

Right. New this year is that we get an e-mail when it happens.


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[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by slugga27

Right. New this year is that we get an e-mail when it happens.


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Yep and there's also a new button on the complex screen that asks for suggested promotions

[yankeefan1024]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

Not by age

By abilities. When they are able to perform in rookie ball

how do you know / somewhat accurately estimate if they'd be able to perform in rookie ball

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by yankeefan1024

how do you know / somewhat accurately estimate if they'd be able to perform in rookie ball

Their ratings

Just the same as if you're deciding whether to call a player up to the majors

If they are, very generally, 50's or 60's at the rookie ball level, they are almost certainly ready. If they are 30's. They almost certainly aren't. The players in the 40's you have to look deeper.

[84Cubs]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

Many high potential players decline at 18 and 19, but it's not due to them being international.

Is that a sign I did not promote them soon enough or just the talent change randomness? I had two prospects I kept in the INT until 18 and they both dropped out ofbthe top 100.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by 84Cubs

Is that a sign I did not promote them soon enough or just the talent change randomness? I had two prospects I kept in the INT until 18 and they both dropped out ofbthe top 100.

Likely a bit of both. Guys in the complex can be tricky. They develop better when they play real games but if they are too raw and struggle, then it could affect their development.

It’s best to take it for what it is, a lottery. Some guys pan out, some simply don’t. If you use a smart, realistic approach, you’ll be giving your players the best chance.

[mytreds]

18 is when I put them in the DSL club.