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swoboda · 10-09-2022, 12:01 PM

5 run lead .....and it was still torture!
Todays game: Buckle up and take your blood pressure meds.

Westheim · 10-09-2022, 01:18 PM

A crisp 8:25 hours win. Must have been that long. I counted.

Don't know whether to laugh or cry that I can't watch the decider. Gotta work. Gotta sleep. At least, if they lose, I don't ever to have see Ottavino toss again. If someone ever writes a book "Why ERA is a Joke", that guy should be the cover boy. Probably with his patented clueless expression.

Argh.

Déjà Bru · 10-09-2022, 01:31 PM

This will be "the only decisive Game 3 of the new wild-card round." I've already cleared the decks with my wife: No cooking shows, no house-flipping shows; no Shark Tank tonight.

Westheim · 10-09-2022, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

This will be "the only decisive Game 3 of the new wild-card round." I've already cleared the decks with my wife: No cooking shows, no house-flipping shows; no Shark Tank tonight.

(gets some spare bedding out and clears the couch of plush raccoons for Mr. Bru to have a place to sleep tonight)

Déjà Bru · 10-09-2022, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

(gets some spare bedding out and clears the couch of plush raccoons for Mr. Bru to have a place to sleep tonight)

No, she's good with it. This Aaron Judge thing got her focused on baseball, at least temporarily.

Amazin69 · 10-09-2022, 07:05 PM

Fortunately, my cat knows not to bother me. (This is a lie; he takes priority. But that's why Nature made pause buttons.)

That was…not much fun yesterday. Jake battled, Buck made the crucial move to Diaz (still haunted by the ghost of Zach Britton, as Ravech noted) and then…Ottavino?? WTF was that? Thank goodness for tack-on runs.

And now…what? Off to see.

dsvitak · 10-09-2022, 08:55 PM

A little sixth inning chicken**** from the Mets manager.

Déjà Bru · 10-09-2022, 10:13 PM

Sorry, guys. It was a very good season, regardless.

Amazin69 · 10-09-2022, 10:37 PM

On the plus side, this means my Last Mets Game Ever won't be called by John Smoltz. So there's that.

Bye, Baseball! Rest in Peace.

(Rob Manfred can suffer the torments of the Damned, though.)

Magus978 · 10-09-2022, 11:01 PM

Offseason needs to be scorched earth. Leave nothing standing.

That is all.

dsvitak · 10-09-2022, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Amazin69

On the plus side, this means my Last Mets Game Ever won't be called by John Smoltz. So there's that.

Bye, Baseball! Rest in Peace.

(Rob Manfred can suffer the torments of the Damned, though.)

Smoltz is the worst "homer" I have ever seen. I don't have a dog in the ATL-NYM hunt, but he was just ... awful.

BBGiovanni · 10-10-2022, 03:49 AM

At least I don't have ESPN so I couldn't watch this. Congratulations to the Mets' 2 catchers and 3 DHs (or vice versa) who combined for 1 postseason hit!

Good pieces on the ballclub but you can't punt 2 of 9 positions and carry multiple platers wo can't hit or can'r field on the roster. A DH platoon should never happen, it's one thing to carry Nelson Cruz or somebody who can only hit, but a roster with Ruf, Voglebach, and Gore on it is a bad sign.

Also applying advanced analytics I've determined giving up 6 runs usually leads to losing.

Amazin69 · 10-10-2022, 08:32 AM

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Also applying advanced analytics I've determined giving up 6 runs usually leads to losing.

Especially when you only get one hit. Pete's pretty good and occasionally you hear someone saying "he's knocked it for six", but that's borrowing terminology from cricket. In this sport, you really can't hit a six-run homer.

At least not now. For all I know, Manly Rob Manfred is working on fixing that.

Gary Cohen called the San Diego series "an ignominious ending" on the postgame, while the ex-jocks (Zeile, Blevins) were trying to blow smoke up their brethren's patooties.

(Going on about how it 'hurts' to lose, whether it's in the World Series or now, don't blame the players, they did their best, it just wasn't meant to be, yada-yada.

Oh, yeah? Ask Bru if it makes a difference if the Yanks make it to the Series or suffer yet another early-round knockout. Sheesh.)

Good on Gary for calling out this nonsense. (Gary Apple was also all "you gotta be [you-know-what]ting me." The Mets are strong in Garys.). If you think you can win it all and you can't do anything of note after September 1, that's Flop City. Idgaf how much it "hurts", jocksniffers. Good Lorde.

Amazin69 · 10-10-2022, 11:24 AM

Jomboy, with the ear-check breakdown, as only he can do.

Steve "UrinatingTree" Linkowski with the obit on the season

Mets led the division for 174 days. Take that, Luis Rojas!

(I don't think we really have to worry about Jake going to the Braves; they're not spending $$$ on people in his age bracket. More likely he goes across town, or off to Texas to join Judge. Just guessing, though.

Maybe the Dodgers, I suppose. It's all moot for me, anyhow.)

Hey, remember how our three "aces" allowed 11 ER in 14.1 IP against Atlanta, for a 6.91 ERA, losing all three games? How did they step it up against the Pads?

Max Scherzer ($43,333,333): 4.2 IP, 7 ER, L
Jacob deGrom ($38,500,000): 6 IP, 2 ER, W
Chris Bassitt ($8,650,000): 4 IP, 3 ER, L

Total v San Diego: 14.2 IP, 12 ER, 7.36 ERA, 1-2

Well, we got one win…

Totals v Atlanta/San Diego, combined: 29 IP, 23 ER, 7.14 ERA, 1-5

Clutch, guys. Very clutch.

swoboda · 10-10-2022, 11:59 AM

Now that we're looking back it was a good season, we just lost to a better team.

Déjà Bru · 10-10-2022, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Amazin69

Oh, yeah? Ask Bru if it makes a difference if the Yanks make it to the Series or suffer yet another early-round knockout. Sheesh.)

Sure it does. In the Yankees thread, I alluded to my bad feeling about the upcoming ALDS. But elsewhere in there, I celebrated the fact that the club is competitive every year, having a .500+ record for the past 30 years. Now, this year, that celebration will be muted a bit because the Yankees seemed to regress in the back half of the season. But, they did make the ALDS and I try to keep that in mind.

Déjà Bru · 10-10-2022, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Sure it does. In the Yankees thread, I alluded to my bad feeling about the upcoming ALDS. But elsewhere in there, I celebrated the fact that the club is competitive every year, having a .500+ record for the past 30 years. Now, this year, that celebration will be muted a bit because the Yankees seemed to regress in the back half of the season. But, they did make the ALDS and I try to keep that in mind.

Look. I sound like Polyanna here, I know.

But I was viewing a video of a guy lugubriously going through the post-mortem last night with Citifield's lights still on and the seats empty ... "All of a sudden, the Mets season is over ... The Mets were never really in this one ... that led to a somber attitude, somber mood in the clubhouse ... it had a sudden, abrupt, last day of school feeling."

Only after speaking for a minute and 15 seconds does he mention the fact that the Mets won 101 games and that they kept us all interested through the first week of October.

He did mention that the mood in the clubhouse was melancholy for another reason: "A lot of these Mets may not be back next year." To wit, de Grom, Nimmo, Diaz, Lugo, Bassitt. "Lugo and Nimmo in particular were sentimental about what could be the end of their time with the only professional organization they have ever known, staying in uniform, taking photos with their family on the field."

Amazin69 · 10-10-2022, 01:48 PM

Perhaps it's just that I spent a lot of time failing to live up to my own "potential", but I can't celebrate such conspicuous failure.

The Mets played like a team that could win the World Series. But they did not win the World Series.

They did not reach the World Series

They did not reach the NLCS.

They did not reach the NLDS.

They did not gain the bye week, which is likely to prove critical for success (I don't see the Mariners, 'dians, Phillies or Padres going all the way…do you?)

They did not win their division.

They did not take advantage of the "easy schedule", giving away games against teams that had already proven not to be of their calibre.

They did not even win ONE game against Atlanta, when that was all they would have needed.

They failed in EIGHT separate Met-rics. (10 if you count their three chances to "clinch" in Atlanta separately.) The fact that they took longer to fail than Luis "Arm Care" Rojas and his pathetic team from last year is hardly a comfort.

I would much rather be a Phillies fan (like my mom's family) and be celebrating having overcome enormous hurdles (missing Harper for most of the season, a slow start, a managerial change, mediocre bullpen work, embarrassing defense, May 5th) and having gone into St.Louis and won two games and moved on, rather than having folded like a tent, at home. I root for overachievers, not underachievers. The Mets failed every challenge they faced; I'm not going give them a medal for trying.

(Also, how did we get outdrawn by SIX teams?? We were barely in the top half of the league in attendance! That's just sad.)

Westheim · 10-10-2022, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Amazin69

(Also, how did we get outdrawn by SIX teams?? We were barely in the top half of the league in attendance! That's just sad.)

Massive amount of double headers perhaps being a factor? Here the Mets are ranked 6th in MLB by avg. attendance.

Also, Citi isn't particularly big. It's smack average in terms of size. From what I could find it's 13th in MLB with a capacity of 41,922, which is more or less the vanilla size according to Wikipedia. Ten ballparks have at least 2k more seats. Only six have at least 2k less.

And now it sits empty for six months.

(closes his weary eyes)

Cod · 10-10-2022, 02:27 PM

The Mets' starters in the WC round have combined salary of $87,483,333 whereas the entire Guardians payroll is $82,057,492.

Honestly, I'm not entirely sure how the Mets fix their problems. Payroll probably is going to be a problem, but I'm not sure how they fill-in some of their needs without getting closer to the $300M mark. Signing deGrom or Edwin Diaz long term will put them in tax purgatory for a long time, where the fees keep going up.

At least they have a third baseman ready to take over and provide some production (offensively and defensively) from the hot corner.

10-09-2022, 12:01 PM	#1701
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,218	5 run lead .....and it was still torture! Todays game: Buckle up and take your blood pressure meds. __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

10-09-2022, 01:18 PM	#1702
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 12,862	A crisp 8:25 hours win. Must have been that long. I counted. Don't know whether to laugh or cry that I can't watch the decider. Gotta work. Gotta sleep. At least, if they lose, I don't ever to have see Ottavino toss again. If someone ever writes a book "Why ERA is a Joke", that guy should be the cover boy. Probably with his patented clueless expression. Argh. __________________ Portland Raccoons, 89 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

10-09-2022, 01:31 PM	#1703
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 10,856	This will be "the only decisive Game 3 of the new wild-card round." I've already cleared the decks with my wife: No cooking shows, no house-flipping shows; no Shark Tank tonight. __________________ - Bru

10-09-2022, 10:13 PM	#1708
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 10,856	Sorry, guys. It was a very good season, regardless. __________________ - Bru

10-09-2022, 11:01 PM	#1710
Magus978 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Behind you. BOO! Posts: 1,894	Offseason needs to be scorched earth. Leave nothing standing. That is all. __________________ "That's baseball" is NOT a valid excuse for failure. The people who tell you that everything is okay are lying to you. Embrace nihilism. http://twitch.tv/GanbaMagus

10-09-2022, 07:05 PM	#1706
Amazin69 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,382 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Fortunately, my cat knows not to bother me. (This is a lie; he takes priority. But that's why Nature made pause buttons.) That was…not much fun yesterday. Jake battled, Buck made the crucial move to Diaz (still haunted by the ghost of Zach Britton, as Ravech noted) and then…Ottavino?? WTF was that? Thank goodness for tack-on runs. And now…what? Off to see.

10-09-2022, 08:55 PM	#1707
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,225	A little sixth inning chicken**** from the Mets manager.

10-09-2022, 10:37 PM	#1709
Amazin69 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,382 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	On the plus side, this means my Last Mets Game Ever won't be called by John Smoltz. So there's that. Bye, Baseball! Rest in Peace. (Rob Manfred can suffer the torments of the Damned, though.)

10-10-2022, 03:49 AM	#1712
BBGiovanni All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Republic of California Posts: 1,850	At least I don't have ESPN so I couldn't watch this. Congratulations to the Mets' 2 catchers and 3 DHs (or vice versa) who combined for 1 postseason hit! Good pieces on the ballclub but you can't punt 2 of 9 positions and carry multiple platers wo can't hit or can'r field on the roster. A DH platoon should never happen, it's one thing to carry Nelson Cruz or somebody who can only hit, but a roster with Ruf, Voglebach, and Gore on it is a bad sign. Also applying advanced analytics I've determined giving up 6 runs usually leads to losing. __________________ Let's Go (San Jose) Giants, Let's Go Mets! Current Project: WBAT/AABBA: Organized Base Ball And the "New Normal" World Baseball Aid Tournament 2023 trophy round underway! Last edited by BBGiovanni; 10-10-2022 at 03:51 AM.

10-10-2022, 11:24 AM	#1714
Amazin69 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,382 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Jomboy, with the ear-check breakdown, as only he can do. Steve "UrinatingTree" Linkowski with the obit on the season Mets led the division for 174 days. Take that, Luis Rojas! (I don't think we really have to worry about Jake going to the Braves; they're not spending $$$ on people in his age bracket. More likely he goes across town, or off to Texas to join Judge. Just guessing, though. Maybe the Dodgers, I suppose. It's all moot for me, anyhow.) Hey, remember how our three "aces" allowed 11 ER in 14.1 IP against Atlanta, for a 6.91 ERA, losing all three games? How did they step it up against the Pads? Max Scherzer ($43,333,333): 4.2 IP, 7 ER, L Jacob deGrom ($38,500,000): 6 IP, 2 ER, W Chris Bassitt ($8,650,000): 4 IP, 3 ER, L Total v San Diego: 14.2 IP, 12 ER, 7.36 ERA, 1-2 Well, we got one win… Totals v Atlanta/San Diego, combined: 29 IP, 23 ER, 7.14 ERA, 1-5 Clutch, guys. Very clutch.

10-10-2022, 11:59 AM	#1715
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,218	Now that we're looking back it was a good season, we just lost to a better team. __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

10-10-2022, 01:48 PM	#1718
Amazin69 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,382 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Perhaps it's just that I spent a lot of time failing to live up to my own "potential", but I can't celebrate such conspicuous failure. The Mets played like a team that could win the World Series. But they did not win the World Series. They did not reach the World Series They did not reach the NLCS. They did not reach the NLDS. They did not gain the bye week, which is likely to prove critical for success (I don't see the Mariners, 'dians, Phillies or Padres going all the way…do you?) They did not win their division. They did not take advantage of the "easy schedule", giving away games against teams that had already proven not to be of their calibre. They did not even win ONE game against Atlanta, when that was all they would have needed. They failed in EIGHT separate Met-rics. (10 if you count their three chances to "clinch" in Atlanta separately.) The fact that they took longer to fail than Luis "Arm Care" Rojas and his pathetic team from last year is hardly a comfort. I would much rather be a Phillies fan (like my mom's family) and be celebrating having overcome enormous hurdles (missing Harper for most of the season, a slow start, a managerial change, mediocre bullpen work, embarrassing defense, May 5th) and having gone into St.Louis and won two games and moved on, rather than having folded like a tent, at home. I root for overachievers, not underachievers. The Mets failed every challenge they faced; I'm not going give them a medal for trying. (Also, how did we get outdrawn by SIX teams?? We were barely in the top half of the league in attendance! That's just sad.) Last edited by Amazin69; 10-10-2022 at 01:52 PM.

10-10-2022, 02:27 PM	#1720
Cod All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 1,078	The Mets' starters in the WC round have combined salary of $87,483,333 whereas the entire Guardians payroll is $82,057,492. Honestly, I'm not entirely sure how the Mets fix their problems. Payroll probably is going to be a problem, but I'm not sure how they fill-in some of their needs without getting closer to the $300M mark. Signing deGrom or Edwin Diaz long term will put them in tax purgatory for a long time, where the fees keep going up. At least they have a third baseman ready to take over and provide some production (offensively and defensively) from the hot corner.