Not sure if I like this or not

[David Watts]

Some guys that should get some Hall votes and Ron Darling[ATTACH][ATTACH][ATTACH][/ATTACH][/ATTACH][/ATTACH]

[David Watts]

Just saw an old quote by Reggie Jackson saying something to the effect that the only way he would ever get a Gold Glove is if he purchased a can of spray paint.........Well in my Random Debut, Reggie Jackson just won the 1997 NL Gold Glove in Left Field.

[David Watts]

Quite the Nomad, but a very nice career.

[actionjackson]

Nice. Be interesting to see where you're at, once the 15-20 year guys start hanging them up. You have to be an absolute superstar to crack the HoF with 11 years worth of numbers. B. Barker had me in stitches, 'cause I know your first name doesn't begin with a B.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

Nice. Be interesting to see where you're at, once the 15-20 year guys start hanging them up. You have to be an absolute superstar to crack the HoF with 11 years worth of numbers. B. Barker had me in stitches, 'cause I know your first name doesn't begin with a B.

My wife loves Price is Right, been watching it since she came to the states. So, it's Bob Barker.

Question, Rube Waddel retired in my league after 7 seasons played. Retired following the 1992 season. Crazy thing is, over the last couple seasons he has received Hall of Fame votes, 10.2% in the last voting. Now, I have the 10 year minimum in place, so I'm shocked to see him getting votes. Would this be a service time deal?

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by David Watts

My wife loves Price is Right, been watching it since she came to the states. So, it's Bob Barker.

Question, Rube Waddel retired in my league after 7 seasons played. Retired following the 1992 season. Crazy thing is, over the last couple seasons he has received Hall of Fame votes, 10.2% in the last voting. Now, I have the 10 year minimum in place, so I'm shocked to see him getting votes. Would this be a service time deal?

That's weird, because he shouldn't even be on the ballot, without 10 full years of service time.

[David Watts]

[actionjackson]

Per our discussion in PM, my top 33 in OPS (as many as I could squish in), so far through 7 seasons, plus breakdown of RL debuts, and RL career OPS+, through the 2021 season:

N.B.: I now turn off Real Life Splits, because so many guys from 1871 through 2021 are not in that file. That will give guys who are much stronger against one side, a leg up on the competition. It's either that, or use the splits from 40ish years of ball, while ignoring the 110 years that aren't available, yet. Those splits may make it into OOTP24, but as of right now, they only go back to 1981.

Frank Thomas v2.0, 1990, 156
Billy Hamilton v1.0, 1888, 141
Ross Barnes, 1871, 167
Trevor Story, 2016, 112
Pete Reiser, 1940, 128
Mike Schmidt, 1972, 148
Cesar Cedeno, 1970, 123
Barry Bonds, 1986, 182
Ellis Burks, 1987, 126
Carl Yastrzemski, 1961, 130
Willie Stargell, 1962, 147
Smoky Joe Wood, 1908, 110
Bibb Falk, 1920, 113
Ed Morgan, 1928, 119
Gene Tenace, 1969, 136
Steven Souza Jr., 2014, 99
Eddie Bressoud, 1956, 96
Ken Singleton, 1970, 132
Shin-Soo Choo, 2005, 122
Len Koenecke, 1932, 124
Mickey Mantle, 1951, 172
Nick Castellanos, 2013, 116
Tom York, 1871, 119
Brian Giles v2.0, 1995, 137
Dusty Baker, 1968, 116
Wally Moon, 1954, 118
Rafael Devers, 2017, 120
Harmon Killebrew, 1954, 143
Tyler Naquin, 2016, 102
Sammy Sosa, 1989, 128
Jake Wood, 1961, 83
Scott Rolen, 1996, 122
Andre Thornton, 1973, 123

Caveat: The Inaugural Draft thing changes some of these figures, depending on when guys came in. I'll take that into account, with what the player did IRL from his debut in my game forward. I won't do it for guys that came in after 1901, because they'll be their age at debut, or one year younger. Don't ask me why, but RD brings these guys in to debut a year before they really did. I don't mind, really. Gives the dominant ones a chance to be even better. Some guys showed up in the Inaugural at their debut age, or sooner, so there's no need to look at them, either.

Thomas same
Hamilton same
Barnes, 1874, 151
Story, 2017, 110
Reiser same
Schmidt, 1979, 153
Cedeno same
Bonds, 1992, 200
Burks, 1993, 132
Yaz same
Stargell, 1977, 140
SJ. Wood, 1911, 113
Falk, 1923, 118
Morgan same
Tenace, 1977, 135
Souza Jr. same
Bressoud same
Singleton same
Choo same
Koenecke same
Mantle, 1968, 143
Castellanos same
York, 1872, 119
Giles, 1996, 136
Baker, 1973, 115
Moon, 1960, 116
Devers same
Killebrew, 1963, 145
Naquin same
Sosa, 2001, 138
J. Wood same
Rolen, 1997, 122
Thornton, 1975, 123

There are three 19th century guys in here. The vast majority are 20th century guys, with a few 21st century guys sprinkled in. The vast majority of these guys should be hitting well. Souza Jr., Bressoud, Jake Wood, and Naquin made me do a double take, but I don't have much of a problem with the other 29. Story's a tough nut to crack, because we don't know how much the OPS+ category is punishing him, for playing all of his home games in Coors Field (remember the RL Stats only run through 2021). Smoky Joe Wood slightly preceded Babe Ruth IRL, in the two way player category. Dude's a freakshow. For the most part, we're looking at hitters that should be making leaderboards. I don't think many of these will last too long, as the game goes forward, but who knows? Maybe the offensive environment will pick up a bit, too. The latest draft is very pitcher heavy, without much in the way of position player strength, so it may be a while yet.

It's not as off as you or I thought it was, but it does seem a bit different from past versions. Different in the fact that reeeally good hitters are getting smacked down, while "interesting cases" are emerging out of nowhere. Some of that can also be put down to development taking over for recalc, and creating a monster. I have no idea why Pujols has been pummelled in both of our games, so far. I had Leo Kavanagh, and Tillie Shafer emerge as superstars in 16, while Griffey Jr., and Kershaw weren't their usual dominant selves, so this kind of voodoo's been around, even during versions that we felt were more "accurate". I'm beginning to wonder if Player Development isn't a much stronger force, within seasons now, than it has been in the past. That could explain a few of our flops with RL studs. The new setting there makes me think that might be our Huckleberry, but this game has so many moving parts now, that it's difficult to put a finger on a single factor.

[actionjackson]

Of course, the flops are tougher to find because they don't tend to hang out around the leaderboards much. There are some notable disappointments in my game though. I've noticed the Inaugural Draft does some funky things to players, and then as they come in as Amateur Draftees, things level off a bit. Then, there's the Development stuff, which is definitely different this year.

[David Watts]

Do me a favor. Post Trevor Story's stats page showing all his years.

[David Watts]

Overall, I'm very satisfied with the results I'm getting in my current random debut. I really wish I could eliminate the pre 1900 guys, but I can live with them if I have to.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Do me a favor. Post Trevor Story's stats page showing all his years.

He's been pretty damn dominant, so far. Leader in pos player WAR, averaging 7.0 WAR per year, so far. He's virtually tied with Billy Hamilton v1.0 in that stat. I'd imagine that offensive output from a player that plays all of his home games at Coors Field, is one of the toughest things to adjust for, for home field, and offensive era. We're certainly in a lower offensive era than the sluggers of the late mid 90s through the 2000s were, so that may boost him, but he's still a bit of a freak in my game, considering his 110 to 115 RL OPS+.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

He's been pretty damn dominant, so far. Leader in pos player WAR, averaging 7.0 WAR per year, so far. He's virtually tied with Billy Hamilton v1.0 in that stat. I'd imagine that offensive output from a player that plays all of his home games at Coors Field, is one of the toughest things to adjust for, for home field, and offensive era. We're certainly in a lower offensive era than the sluggers of the late mid 90s through the 2000s were, so that may boost him, but he's still a bit of a freak in my game, considering his 110 to 115 RL OPS+.

Thanks. You use 5 year recalc, right?

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Overall, I'm very satisfied with the results I'm getting in my current random debut. I really wish I could eliminate the pre 1900 guys, but I can live with them if I have to.

After running my analysis yesterday, I don't think they're being as dominant as we thought they were, which is good. On a league wide basis, this version is as tightened up, as I've seen it, in a long time. A .300 AVG, 100 R, 200 H, 30 HR, and 100 RBI, are incredible accomplishments. 20 W, 200 K, and a sub-3.00 ERA are also incredible accomplishments.

The stud pitcher of your RL favourite team, is wiping the floor of his peers, which include Koufax, Gerrit Cole, Saberhagen, a very young Fernando Valenzuela, Pedro Martinez, Noodles Hahn, Firpo Marberry, Catfish Hunter, Wilson Alvarez, the shockingly good Glendon Rusch, and recent arrival Vinegar Bend Mizell. "Prince Hal" Newhouser easily leads in my favourite trifecta, of career rWAR, WAR, and WPA. When I sort for rWAR, only he and Saberhagen have sub-3.00 career ERAs, and Hal bests Sabes 2.87 to 2.96. He's one behind Bill Hill in Wins, 105 to 104, and is the all-time leader in IP, and K. When I sort for rWAR, he's also the only guy on there with fewer than 8.0 H/9. More CS against him, than SB, and very few attempts for a guy that's pitched so much. A dominant ace, who's also an innings eater, with 7.77 IP/GS.

All of that, and still only heading into his age 26 season. He's a beaut.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Thanks. You use 5 year recalc, right?

5-double weighted, yes.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

5-double weighted, yes.

Cool. I had issues with double weight and 3 year recalc with guys like Story. Your screenshot gives me hope that if I want to use double weight with 5 year, I might not suffer the same problems.

[actionjackson]

With regards to the counting stat/average milestones, so far through 7 seasons for position players:

73 .300+ AVG seasons
16 .400+ OBP seasons
25 .500+ SLG seasons
18 .900+ OPS seasons
26 100+ R seasons
5 200+ H seasons
19 40+ 2B seasons
30 10+ 3B seasons
12 30+ HR seasons
24 100+ RBI seasons
50 40+ SB seasons
25 100+ BB seasons
92 5+ WAR seasons

For pitchers:

57 sub-3.00 ERA seasons
6 20+ W seasons
4 40+ SV seasons
13 34+ GS seasons (significant because of "Strict" Rotation Mode setting)
12 15+ CG seasons
8 5+ SHO seasons
56 250+ IP seasons
14 200+ K seasons
27 sub-2.0 BB/9 seasons
28 7.0+ K/9 seasons
No sub-1.00 WHIP seasons yet...Closest is 1.03
No sub-.200 AVG seasons yet...Closest is .201
Too many sub-.300 OBP seasons to count
4 sub-.300 SLG seasons
13 sub-.600 OPS seasons
56 5.0+ WAR seasons (I prefer rWAR, but they don't track it)

[David Watts]

Mel Ott lacks 9 home runs in my game to reach 500 home runs. Hank Aaron has crossed the 400 mark, so it will be very interesting to see which one ends up with the most. They are around the same age, but I think Aaron has the most recalc left, which means I like his chances to come out on top.

Garrit Cole and Toad Ramsey are in very close race to be the first pitcher to reach the 250 wins mark.

[David Watts]

Home runs will be a fun category to watch over the next 2 decades. We have Ott and Aaron, but we also have Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Vlad Jr and Willie Mays. Can anyone reach 600?

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Home runs will be a fun category to watch over the next 2 decades. We have Ott and Aaron, but we also have Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Vlad Jr and Willie Mays. Can anyone reach 600?

You probably have a better chance for a 600 guy than I do, given your choice of 1986, and mine of 1984 for stat output bases. I've had a thought about the really good players that are pancaking in our leagues. What if it's got something to do with what happens to them when they come in via the Inaugural Draft? I've noticed that guys that debut out of that draft at the same age as their RL debut, or one year younger, are turning out just fine. It's the ones that come in after their RL debuts that seem to be having issues. Something to think about, anyway.