was something changed with pickoffs

[s1murc1]

since the latest update iv been having at least two batters picked off first every game usually solid runners before the update with the same team and roster i very rarely saw a player picked off of first. has anyone else noticed this

[md40022]

YES YES YES.

I made a similar post a few weeks back and nobody seemed to agree with me, I think you are totally right though. I was willing to attribute it to a little bit of flukey luck at first, but something is definitely off since one of the updates.

I refuse to track data on it. Kudos to those that do, but I just don't feel that should be my job. I know that makes my complaint lose credibility, but I do completely agree with you. If I had to guess I would say I've been getting picked off on 10% ofthe throws to first over the last few weeks - which seems insanely high.

[md40022]

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...light=pickoffs

for the record.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by md40022

YES YES YES.

I made a similar post a few weeks back and nobody seemed to agree with me, I think you are totally right though. I was willing to attribute it to a little bit of flukey luck at first, but something is definitely off since one of the updates.

I refuse to track data on it. Kudos to those that do, but I just don't feel that should be my job. I know that makes my complaint lose credibility, but I do completely agree with you. If I had to guess I would say I've been getting picked off on 10% ofthe throws to first over the last few weeks - which seems insanely high.

At least you seem to realize without data there can't be a fix. Not saying you should have to keep track, but if you are seeing the same "two per game" as the OP it certainly wouldn't take many games to get some type of count to report. It's not like a "runner on first" is an isolated incident and one has to dig to find data. 10 pick offs in 5 games, or 20 PO in 10 games, shown in game logs would, I think, get the developer's attention? If nothing else they may want .dat files from a game like that to try to see if something is wrong?

I play out all of my games and would guess I've played 10-15 games with the beta patches that lead up to the current released patch, and the currently released patch. I'm not seeing the issue, but I will certainly keep an eye open for it.

[s1murc1]

i will say in the last 15 games i played out there have been 0 POs so it seems to be averaging out its just it did a crap ton at once now there's none I'm just going to chalk it up to my players forgot how to run for a month and the coaches fixed it. as for collecting data i would if it was something i was reporting in the bug forum last i checked this in not the bug forum i was simply asking if anyone else was seeing what i was because sometimes the game can do funny things and it not be a bug posting here im not reaching to the developers for a fix im asking other players their experience and other players shouldnt need stats to know if they are seeing it in their game.

[md40022]

The one against San Fran and the 2 against Milwaukee just happened this morning..... 3 straight games, 3 straight pickoffs. The one against LA was the series prior. 4 pickoffs within a span of about 6 game. Numerous people have brought this up, topic always just fades away though since nobody really wants to sit there recording game data (and rightfully so).

** images arent posting for whatever reason, but here they are -- https://postimg.cc/gallery/1sfM3Vg

[Greenbay]

It seems to happen to me a lot. I'm not even running but my runner gets picked off. It seemed like every time the opposing pitcher threw over I got picked off. So I started keeping track. The first five times he threw over I was out. 8 out of the last 10 times I have been out. I was stealing on only one of those times. For the last 5 games there have not been any pickoff attempts.

[md40022]

Here's a few more.... https://postimg.cc/gallery/NTCrTFx

6 pickoffs in the last 9 games.....

[Pelican]

This is all small samples and no actual game data records; but I do not think I have picked a guy off a base (or had a guy picked off) in 24. (I throw over a lot.). So, my small sample undocumented experience has been exactly the opposite. Strange.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Pelican

This is all small samples and no actual game data records; but I do not think I have picked a guy off a base (or has a guy picked off) in 24. (I throw over a lot.). So, my small sample undocumented experience has been exactly the opposite. Strange.

Similar experience in my game too. I posted above on June 2 and have been keeping track of PO in my played games. It has not been hard to do as I've had one pickoff from then 'til now, 20ish games. And that was me picking off the AI, not the AI picking off me.

Something funky in the games of those that have the issue? IDK. Something like too many high hold rated pitchers? One can only speculate. If it's me having the problem, and not finding many chiming in on my post saying "me too", I'd file a support ticket and send in my league file. Maybe with a league file they could find a cause? For thoroughness I'd keep track for at least 10 games and add that data to my post. They may not require actual data, IDK, but my thinking is I would be more likely to get a result with some data included. I get some say "I shouldn't have to" and that's fine, it's up to you.

In any case I wish you good luck finding a solution.

[md40022]

Picked off 2nd base in an extra inning game when I've already been picked off 6 times in the previous 15 games? Sure, why not. Let's just keep the insanity flowing...

https://postimg.cc/HJ4b4V9g

[md40022]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Similar experience in my game too. I posted above on June 2 and have been keeping track of PO in my played games. It has not been hard to do as I've had one pickoff from then 'til now, 20ish games. And that was me picking off the AI, not the AI picking off me.

Something funky in the games of those that have the issue? IDK. Something like too many high hold rated pitchers? One can only speculate. If it's me having the problem, and not finding many chiming in on my post saying "me too", I'd file a support ticket and send in my league file. Maybe with a league file they could find a cause? For thoroughness I'd keep track for at least 10 games and add that data to my post. They may not require actual data, IDK, but my thinking is I would be more likely to get a result with some data included. I get some say "I shouldn't have to" and that's fine, it's up to you.

In any case I wish you good luck finding a solution.

I'm in the 2024 season right now so 90%+ of the pitchers are the same real life pitchers who are pitching in the game today. So it's not like too many high hold rate fictional guys were generated. These are modern day pitchers..... the guy who just picked me off of 2nd base had a 35 hold rating (on a scale of 0-100) and it was Kris Bryant who got picked off, normally a phenomenally smart base runner (baserunning rated at 87 on 0-100 scale). And it was in extra innings, when smart base running is at a premium, and it was at 2nd base because why not at this point.



And this isn't just my problem. It's been brought up by others numerous times, but when the solution is "why dont you record game data every single game for 100 straight games for we can see if maybe we can detect something" it quickly becomes a problem that gets dropped.



Knowing that this isn't being looked into at all I just wish there was a way to disable pickoffs because what I'm seeing is incomprehensibly broken.

[KRSW]

Originally Posted by md40022

And this isn't just my problem. It's been brought up by others numerous times, but when the solution is "why dont you record game data every single game for 100 straight games for we can see if maybe we can detect something" it quickly becomes a problem that gets dropped.

I counted.

There were 464 pickoffs out of 2441 games in all MLB regular season games and All-Star games (including minor leagues) in 2023.

[md40022]

Originally Posted by KRSW

I counted.

There were 464 pickoffs out of 2441 games in all MLB regular season games and All-Star games (including minor leagues) in 2023.

Comes out to one pickoff every 5.26 games.



For comparison, IRL 2023 season there have been 149 pickoffs in 1077 games up to this point in the season... That's one pickoff every 7.22 games. If that pace keeps up for the remainder of this IRL season that will be 336 pickoffs....... Seeing 130 more in an OOTP season is a gigantic up tick and absolutely needs to be looked at.



And for what it's worth, I bet my stats are far worse than KRSW's, though I haven't tracked them outside of the random screen shots over the last week or two.


IRL 2023 pickoff stats pulled from this link - https://scores.nbcsports.com/mlb/get...s.asp?rank=111

[md40022]

aaaaaaand lets throw one more up there just to close today out with an even 3 pickoffs for me (in 10 games played to be exact).

https://postimg.cc/5X6HrSQ4

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by md40022

I'm in the 2024 season right now so 90%+ of the pitchers are the same real life pitchers who are pitching in the game today. So it's not like too many high hold rate fictional guys were generated. These are modern day pitchers..... the guy who just picked me off of 2nd base had a 35 hold rating (on a scale of 0-100) and it was Kris Bryant who got picked off, normally a phenomenally smart base runner (baserunning rated at 87 on 0-100 scale). And it was in extra innings, when smart base running is at a premium, and it was at 2nd base because why not at this point.



And this isn't just my problem. It's been brought up by others numerous times, but when the solution is "why dont you record game data every single game for 100 straight games for we can see if maybe we can detect something" it quickly becomes a problem that gets dropped.



Knowing that this isn't being looked into at all I just wish there was a way to disable pickoffs because what I'm seeing is incomprehensibly broken.

My humble response...

If they "fix" this based on no data, how much do they reduce PO's, and what happens in my league where I haven't seen the issue? FWIW I am looking because of these threads. I have just past 110 games that were all played out in one pitch mode. By your real life numbers I should have seen 15 PO at the 2023 rate, though of course my team could certainly have more or less. To be fair I haven't counted either, only been on the lookout. What I will do is start to keep track in my notebook to be sure I'm not missing anything. With what I've seen to date in my league having "too few" would be easier to miss than "too many". Nothing I see has me thinking "too many", for or against my team.

I think you are right, they are not looking at it. The threads that bring it up are not getting a lot of support/confirmation that, I think, would result in them (if they saw the thread) thinking it's not affecting lot's of users? Also figuring into them not looking into it is the lack of a thread in the bugs forum, an actual bug report, or an uploaded save file. There is finally some data in this thread from KRSW, though not sure how one counts them for all 2441 games? Maybe he looked at every game log? Has some codding talent that allowed him to search the logs? IDK. With my computer knowledge I am limited to what happens in the games I play out. IOW if it's in my game it's only in AI vs AI games, not the ones I play out. Anyway however he got it there is now some data to go along with a bug report.

If I were having the issue I would submit a bug report ticket along with a bug forum post. Link this thread or copy in the posts with the data that is here. I wouldn't wait for them to request my game file, I'd just send it in and post in my bug thread that I had already done so.

To be clear I'm not saying you are not seeing the issue, and I do hope you find a solution. I will keep looking while playing out my games. Unless or until I see PO's in my game I will stop posting in this thread. There's nothing more I can really add.

Good luck.

[fredbeene]

Originally Posted by md40022

YES YES YES.

I made a similar post a few weeks back and nobody seemed to agree with me, I think you are totally right though. I was willing to attribute it to a little bit of flukey luck at first, but something is definitely off since one of the updates.

I refuse to track data on it. Kudos to those that do, but I just don't feel that should be my job. I know that makes my complaint lose credibility, but I do completely agree with you. If I had to guess I would say I've been getting picked off on 10% ofthe throws to first over the last few weeks - which seems insanely high.

write a report showing total pickoffs per team, game , inninning...
oh wait, there isn't even a stat for it?
they won't fix anecdotal evidence

[fredbeene]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Similar experience in my game too. I posted above on June 2 and have been keeping track of PO in my played games. It has not been hard to do as I've had one pickoff from then 'til now, 20ish games. And that was me picking off the AI, not the AI picking off me.

Something funky in the games of those that have the issue? IDK. Something like too many high hold rated pitchers? One can only speculate. If it's me having the problem, and not finding many chiming in on my post saying "me too", I'd file a support ticket and send in my league file. Maybe with a league file they could find a cause? For thoroughness I'd keep track for at least 10 games and add that data to my post. They may not require actual data, IDK, but my thinking is I would be more likely to get a result with some data included. I get some say "I shouldn't have to" and that's fine, it's up to you.

In any case I wish you good luck finding a solution.

why do you have to keep track of PO's? Seems like the actual problem is lackluster data tracking by the game

[Matt Arnold]

Looks like things were running a little high, we can tune it down slightly in the next update.