Trading Block / Player Performance

WarningTrakPower · 03-13-2023, 06:40 AM

How does a player being put on the trading block affect their performance?
The reason I ask, I am noticing A LOT of big name players (usually signed long term) being added to the trading block (since the team they play on are up against the cap).

Below is an example of one very unrealistic instance:

Miro Heiskanen is an elite young Dman and Dallas "should" have zero interest in trading him.

WarningTrakPower · 03-13-2023, 07:18 AM

They only have ~$600,000 in cap space, but they would never trade Matthew Tkachuk IRL.

redtiger7 · 03-13-2023, 10:28 AM

Or they're trying to unload a big contract to free up cap space

WarningTrakPower · 03-13-2023, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by redtiger7

Or they're trying to unload a big contract to free up cap space

I understand that is their intention, but it is a) not realistic and b) very difficult for anyone to take these contracts as most teams are in the same cap situation (especially in 2022)

Savoie45 · 03-16-2023, 02:59 PM

I don't get the "they would never trade this player" talk. Of course teams could potentially trade any player, just as the Flames traded Tkachuk to begin with.

mschinner · 03-17-2023, 07:47 AM

In the game, it could be a chemistry issue, too.

Teams up against the cap have to make tough calls. The Blackhawks had to trade a young Teuvo Teravainen, who everyone thought was a core piece, as a sweetener to offload bad contracts.

If a prime Great One can be traded, then anyone can be. That's the way I look at.

AdequateRandomGaming · 03-17-2023, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by WarningTrakPower

I understand that is their intention, but it is a) not realistic and b) very difficult for anyone to take these contracts as most teams are in the same cap situation (especially in 2022)

As a rule of thumb, I wait until I see the return for those players before I rate it as unrealistic. A player being on the block doesn't faze me in the slightest. It could just be the team gauging interest. It could be cap related. It could be the player committed a heinous off-ice crime that sent team harmony down the ****ter (god do I hate this feature with a passion).

If you just look at what the Hawks did recently, you have the Teravainen deal, but you also had the DeBrincat deal that didn't make much sense given they had just extended Seth Jones...why trade away a young 40 goal scorer when you are obviously rebuilding?

Then you can look at Arizona getting rid of a guy like Chychrun (granted he asked for a trade but had zero no-trading clauses so had very little power) for what seems to be very little...

And that's only looking at deals my Ottawa Senators were a part of...

You can find deals like that every year.

mschinner · 03-17-2023, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AdequateRandomGaming

As a rule of thumb, I wait until I see the return for those players before I rate it as unrealistic. A player being on the block doesn't faze me in the slightest. It could just be the team gauging interest. It could be cap related. It could be the player committed a heinous off-ice crime that sent team harmony down the ****ter (god do I hate this feature with a passion).

If you just look at what the Hawks did recently, you have the Teravainen deal, but you also had the DeBrincat deal that didn't make much sense given they had just extended Seth Jones...why trade away a young 40 goal scorer when you are obviously rebuilding?

Then you can look at Arizona getting rid of a guy like Chychrun (granted he asked for a trade but had zero no-trading clauses so had very little power) for what seems to be very little...

And that's only looking at deals my Ottawa Senators were a part of...

You can find deals like that every year.

Spot on.

You may also have to wait a year or two before judging a deal. There are trades where is looked lopsided at first, but balanced out over time (Ryan O'Reilly-Tage Thompson trade). Also, GM's make bad decisions (see Chuck Fletcher's career).

WarningTrakPower · 03-17-2023, 11:51 AM

My issue with these being unrealistic is the players on long term contracts. The examples being listed are for players on expiring contracts.

Hawks could not afford Teuvo, so yes that makes sense.
Tkachuk was going in to final year and would no resign, makes sense to trade him.
DeBrincat also needed a new contract.
Chychurn IRL had this year and next year, not 7/8 years left on his contract like some of the players going on the trading block in FHM9.

The issue lies with how the computer manages their roster while dishing out their contracts. Backing themselves into a corner and not having a way to navigate around the salary cap.

23yr old Miro Heiskanen with a 7yr contract should not be on the trading block, period.

viperswhip · 04-10-2023, 10:36 PM

No, the realistic scenario is only if they decide to enter a rebuild and trade 25+ year old players, OR they trade a bad contract, like OEL from the Canucks, with a draft pick to another team, like the Coyotes to take the contract.

That's how it works in real life, in this game you can't trade a player and a draft pick for nothing though.

Ya, young players, performing well, that's key though, are never getting traded while they have term left unless they are being traded for another more needed piece like an excellent LW might be traded for a very good Center. The Flames did not do well in that trade even though it was LW + D for LW, but hey, at least Tkachuk let the Flames know he wasn't going to resign, ahem, Tavares (I hate the Leafs and Isles and that one leaves a bad taste in my mouth).

WarningTrakPower · 05-25-2023, 12:18 PM

These young star should never be on the trading block, period.

Jake Guentzel & William Nylander on an expiring contracts, they should absolutely be on the trading block.

I can even give a pass on Mitch Marner with the difficult salary cap navigations ahead for Toronto.

Cale Makar & Tage Thompson are critical players for their teams with long term contracts that almost every team cannot afford.

I agree that it would be ideal for Calgary to move Nazim Kadri at 33 with 6yr and $7m per, but they won't be able to find a trade partner for that contract.

Is there a way to avoid having these elite young players from landing on the trading block?

ZootMurph · 07-24-2023, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by WarningTrakPower

How does a player being put on the trading block affect their performance?
The reason I ask, I am noticing A LOT of big name players (usually signed long term) being added to the trading block (since the team they play on are up against the cap).

Below is an example of one very unrealistic instance:

Miro Heiskanen is an elite young Dman and Dallas "should" have zero interest in trading him.

My opinion on this is there isn't enough information to reason why this might happen. Is the team full of defensemen and weak in other areas? Are they in Rebuild? Did they just get a new GM or Head Coach and maybe this guy doesn't fit their playing style? Is he a controversial player who has trouble with half the team and trading him would fix a lot of turmoil in the team?

You basically gave us little to no information to work with. Overall, at first look, I would agree that they just gave him a 7 year contract, and he's a top if not elite player, so why trade him? Without context...

bandwagonfan · 07-25-2023, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ZootMurph

My opinion on this is there isn't enough information to reason why this might happen. Is the team full of defensemen and weak in other areas? Are they in Rebuild? Did they just get a new GM or Head Coach and maybe this guy doesn't fit their playing style? Is he a controversial player who has trouble with half the team and trading him would fix a lot of turmoil in the team?

You basically gave us little to no information to work with. Overall, at first look, I would agree that they just gave him a 7 year contract, and he's a top if not elite player, so why trade him? Without context...

Only reason Heiskanen is on TB is because of cap issues. Teams in FHM rarely will offload old players with high salary because its impossible to find a trade for them and thats why they are trading away young core because they have some value. Thats it. Not much to discuss here and i doubt they can implement a fix for this that easily unless they increase trade value of those old players...but even then almost every team in NHL has cap issues few years in game and there is nobody who can take up that "bad" contract

tomkmb · 07-25-2023, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ZootMurph

My opinion on this is there isn't enough information to reason why this might happen. Is the team full of defensemen and weak in other areas? Are they in Rebuild? Did they just get a new GM or Head Coach and maybe this guy doesn't fit their playing style? Is he a controversial player who has trouble with half the team and trading him would fix a lot of turmoil in the team?

You basically gave us little to no information to work with. Overall, at first look, I would agree that they just gave him a 7 year contract, and he's a top if not elite player, so why trade him? Without context...

I understand the points you're trying to make but it would need to be one hell of a web of non-negotiable factors in order for this sort of trade to pass the smell test.

03-13-2023, 06:40 AM	#1
WarningTrakPower All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 595	Trading Block / Player Performance How does a player being put on the trading block affect their performance? The reason I ask, I am noticing A LOT of big name players (usually signed long term) being added to the trading block (since the team they play on are up against the cap). Below is an example of one very unrealistic instance: Miro Heiskanen is an elite young Dman and Dallas "should" have zero interest in trading him.

03-13-2023, 07:18 AM	#2
WarningTrakPower All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 595	Panthers Add Tkachuk to Trading Block They only have ~$600,000 in cap space, but they would never trade Matthew Tkachuk IRL.

05-25-2023, 12:18 PM	#11
WarningTrakPower All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 595	Start of a new season, young stars on the block These young star should never be on the trading block, period. Jake Guentzel & William Nylander on an expiring contracts, they should absolutely be on the trading block. I can even give a pass on Mitch Marner with the difficult salary cap navigations ahead for Toronto. Cale Makar & Tage Thompson are critical players for their teams with long term contracts that almost every team cannot afford. I agree that it would be ideal for Calgary to move Nazim Kadri at 33 with 6yr and $7m per, but they won't be able to find a trade partner for that contract. Is there a way to avoid having these elite young players from landing on the trading block?

03-13-2023, 10:28 AM	#3
redtiger7 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,113	Or they're trying to unload a big contract to free up cap space

03-16-2023, 02:59 PM	#5
Savoie45 All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Oregon Posts: 677	I don't get the "they would never trade this player" talk. Of course teams could potentially trade any player, just as the Flames traded Tkachuk to begin with.

03-17-2023, 07:47 AM	#6
mschinner Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 41	In the game, it could be a chemistry issue, too. Teams up against the cap have to make tough calls. The Blackhawks had to trade a young Teuvo Teravainen, who everyone thought was a core piece, as a sweetener to offload bad contracts. If a prime Great One can be traded, then anyone can be. That's the way I look at.

03-17-2023, 11:51 AM	#9
WarningTrakPower All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 595	My issue with these being unrealistic is the players on long term contracts. The examples being listed are for players on expiring contracts. Hawks could not afford Teuvo, so yes that makes sense. Tkachuk was going in to final year and would no resign, makes sense to trade him. DeBrincat also needed a new contract. Chychurn IRL had this year and next year, not 7/8 years left on his contract like some of the players going on the trading block in FHM9. The issue lies with how the computer manages their roster while dishing out their contracts. Backing themselves into a corner and not having a way to navigate around the salary cap. 23yr old Miro Heiskanen with a 7yr contract should not be on the trading block, period.

04-10-2023, 10:36 PM	#10
viperswhip Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 58	No, the realistic scenario is only if they decide to enter a rebuild and trade 25+ year old players, OR they trade a bad contract, like OEL from the Canucks, with a draft pick to another team, like the Coyotes to take the contract. That's how it works in real life, in this game you can't trade a player and a draft pick for nothing though. Ya, young players, performing well, that's key though, are never getting traded while they have term left unless they are being traded for another more needed piece like an excellent LW might be traded for a very good Center. The Flames did not do well in that trade even though it was LW + D for LW, but hey, at least Tkachuk let the Flames know he wasn't going to resign, ahem, Tavares (I hate the Leafs and Isles and that one leaves a bad taste in my mouth).