Wander Franco MIA

rcro · 09-19-2023, 10:15 AM

For some reason it seems he is not included in my game??? Do you guys have him?

rcro · 09-19-2023, 10:20 AM

Oh, I see

Didnt catch that. Carry on.

whaleheader · 09-21-2023, 09:30 AM

What didn't you see? I've posted in the Bug Forum but haven't seen a response from the developers.

whaleheader · 09-21-2023, 10:24 AM

He's not available in the Live Start for August 12th, which was the day of his last game played. He's not available in the Live Start for August 11th. He's also not available if you start the season on Opening Day.

Neither is Julio Urias.

I know the reasons both players are on Administrative Leave. I also know how Trevor Bauer was handled last year. If you click the link below, you'll find a list of other players placed on the Admin List. If you have been playing the game for a while, you'll realize these players are being handled differently.

It's either a bug or a conscious decision.

How about some developer response on the cause?

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Article with a list of players who have spent time on the Administrative List.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/baseball...o-trevor-bauer

rcro · 09-21-2023, 10:34 AM

I didnt see he was a child molester(allegedly), and there is a chance he will never play in MLB again. Dont know what the right way of handling it is. Maybe retire him like Bauer?

whaleheader · 09-21-2023, 11:13 AM

Both players are on the MLB Restricted List and are getting paid.

J.C. Mejia has been suspended 162 games for PEDs and is currently on the Restricted List but appears in today's live start file.

So, it's not a matter of a glitch where a player is on a list that removes him from the game.

OOTP should handle Urias and Franco like they handled Bauer and other players who went on the Admin/Restricted List.

If OOTP gameplayers want to delete the player immediately, that's up to them. If others want to wait until an investigation is completed and then take action, that should be their choice as well.

I get that the allegations, particularly with Franco, are terrible. They are still just allegations. Deleting the players completely, when both are still getting paid by their respective teams, jumps to conclusions that MLB and the MLBPA haven't reached.

A more direct comparison is Felipe Vázquez. He's actually been convicted and is in jail (expected to be released this month). He wasn't removed from the game. He's retired.

rcro · 09-21-2023, 11:20 AM

I understand what you mean to say. Im afraid i also understand the devs for taking this path. Nasty PR to have a presumed child molester in ur game. You can always give some random half a star their contracts to balance the books

David Watts · 09-21-2023, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whaleheader

He's not available in the Live Start for August 12th, which was the day of his last game played. He's not available in the Live Start for August 11th. He's also not available if you start the season on Opening Day.

Neither is Julio Urias.

I know the reasons both players are on Administrative Leave. I also know how Trevor Bauer was handled last year. If you click the link below, you'll find a list of other players placed on the Admin List. If you have been playing the game for a while, you'll realize these players are being handled differently.

It's either a bug or a conscience decision.

How about some developer response on the cause?

-----------------
Article with a list of players who have spent time on the Administrative List.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/baseball...o-trevor-bauer

Are you sure about opening day? I started a league the other day on opening day and thought Franco was with the Rays. Will have to check when I get home.

kidd_05_u2 · 09-21-2023, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whaleheader

OOTP should handle Urias and Franco like they handled Bauer and other players who went on the Admin/Restricted List.

OOTP has a license with the MLB. This means the players are handled in the way the MLB says they will be handled. OOTP has zero input on this. If they are banished, assume the MLB told them they needed to be banished.

David Watts · 09-21-2023, 08:07 PM

I stand corrected. Franco is not in the game. Crazy thing to me is, he isn't in the league history section either.

David Watts · 09-21-2023, 08:14 PM

Just created 2022 historical league and Franco is on the Rays. Would the license dictate he can exist in a historical game, but not a MLB quickstart game?

rcro · 09-22-2023, 06:42 AM

I seriously doubt MLB mandated his removal. I think its the devs distancing themselves.

Pelican · 09-22-2023, 08:32 AM

The developers, who are devoted to producing a game that reflects IRL play, have no reason to “disappear” players. They have no motive to “distance themselves”. And it they did that on their own, they would explain their rationale. I seriously doubt that is what has happened.

MLB has every reason to try and control its image. I don’t agree with this particular action; but I am confident they retain the power to require deletion of players, pursuant to the licensing agreement. I think what you are seeing is that they have exercised that power, and OOTP has no choice but to comply. Moreover, it is likely that OOTP staff are barred from discussing or explaining the decision. That sucks, but it probably just reflects the power of MLB. The last thing the Commissioner wants is to draw attention to these guys.

I don’t play other baseball computer or video games; but I suspect that MLB would be able to exercise similar authority under other licensing agreements. MLB controls the player’s baseball career, and reserves the right to eliminate players who go wrong in life. As if that makes up for what they have done. And as if purging them from a computer game will have any beneficial effect. The only thing I see is perhaps saving MLB from some embarrassment. But why? They have hundreds of players, and some break the law. That, unfortunately, is human nature. I don’t see how MLB should feel guilty or responsible; unless teams have enabled or hidden the bad behavior.

To me the silence from the developers speaks volumes. They can’t comment. They would if they could, but they can’t, so they won’t. Rather than complain about their silence, I would direct your ire at MLB, the likely culprit.

RchW · 09-22-2023, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whaleheader

Both players are on the MLB Restricted List and are getting paid.

J.C. Mejia has been suspended 162 games for PEDs and is currently on the Restricted List but appears in today's live start file.

So, it's not a matter of a glitch where a player is on a list that removes him from the game.

OOTP should handle Urias and Franco like they handled Bauer and other players who went on the Admin/Restricted List.

If OOTP gameplayers want to delete the player immediately, that's up to them. If others want to wait until an investigation is completed and then take action, that should be their choice as well.

I get that the allegations, particularly with Franco, are terrible. They are still just allegations. Deleting the players completely, when both are still getting paid by their respective teams, jumps to conclusions that MLB and the MLBPA haven't reached.

A more direct comparison is Felipe Vázquez. He's actually been convicted and is in jail (expected to be released this month). He wasn't removed from the game. He's retired.

The licence agreement with the PA may require this.

whaleheader · 09-22-2023, 08:52 AM

All the speculation about the MLB license is not accurate. Franco is still a member of the MLBPA. As such he's still included in the license.

Again, he's not suspended. He's being paid and the accusations are being investigated. Even if MLB decides to suspend him, as long as he's still under contract he's still a member of MLB and MLBPA.

The devs can clear all this up by posting a response.

Brad K · 09-23-2023, 10:35 AM

If it IS about MLB licensing it is time to stop paying MLB to be told what to do.

Rain King · 09-23-2023, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad K

If it IS about MLB licensing it is time to stop paying MLB to be told what to do.

You are saying you would prefer not to have any licensed leagues or players in the game?

I agree with that, actually. I don't think most will though.

Rain King · 09-23-2023, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain King

You are saying you would prefer not to have any licensed leagues or players in the game?

I agree with that, actually. I don't think most will though.

Clarification.

I think it would be fine to keep the license and run Perfect Team.

However, I don't think creating the real life leagues each year is worth it. It creates a myriad of complaints if the smallest things are off or inaccurate that then requires support for the rosters specifically instead of anything that contributes to the core game.

Let the community create and support all of that.

Sweed · 09-23-2023, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad K

If it IS about MLB licensing it is time to stop paying MLB to be told what to do.

Let's start with the MLB license. Stop paying for it to have full control.. Not happening

, nor should it. OOTP is running a business and everyone is free to buy or not buy for whatever reason, MLB license, front office depth, etc. etc. etc. I can assure you that terminating the license will take more dollars out of their paycheck than keeping it. But yeah, it's not your money so feel free to tell them what to do.

Franco is a legitimate question, but once asked and no answer appears to be coming, one could just take a few minutes and recreate Franco if he's that important to their game. In the time it took to post here they could already be playing. It's what I would do.

"But I paid $30-40 for the game and shouldn't have to". That's correct and fair enough, if it's not a mandated removal. The choice, then, is still live without and complain, or take a few minutes and move on. Choice #2 seems the fastest way to ease the frustration.

Doesn't affect my game either way, just trying to help.

Pelican · 09-24-2023, 09:35 AM

I don’t know if this is clear to everybody, but, if OOTP does not enter into a licensing agreement with MLB or the players association, and pay whatever fees are negotiated, they are not going to be able to produce the game as in past years. It’s pretty simple, and it sucks to not have more control; but that’s a golden rule situation, and MLB and the PA have the gold and make the rules. Just as the NFL has the gold, and Madden and others have to play by their rules. It’s not a situation I like one bit; but it is unlikely to change anytime soon.

09-19-2023, 10:15 AM	#1
rcro Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 42	Wander Franco MIA For some reason it seems he is not included in my game??? Do you guys have him?

09-21-2023, 10:24 AM	#4
whaleheader Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 242	He's not available in the Live Start for August 12th, which was the day of his last game played. He's not available in the Live Start for August 11th. He's also not available if you start the season on Opening Day. Neither is Julio Urias. I know the reasons both players are on Administrative Leave. I also know how Trevor Bauer was handled last year. If you click the link below, you'll find a list of other players placed on the Admin List. If you have been playing the game for a while, you'll realize these players are being handled differently. It's either a bug or a conscious decision. How about some developer response on the cause? ----------------- Article with a list of players who have spent time on the Administrative List. https://www.sportskeeda.com/baseball...o-trevor-bauer Last edited by whaleheader; 09-22-2023 at 08:54 AM.

09-22-2023, 08:32 AM	#13
Pelican Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Wilmington, Delaware Posts: 2,791 Blog Entries: 1	The developers, who are devoted to producing a game that reflects IRL play, have no reason to “disappear” players. They have no motive to “distance themselves”. And it they did that on their own, they would explain their rationale. I seriously doubt that is what has happened. MLB has every reason to try and control its image. I don’t agree with this particular action; but I am confident they retain the power to require deletion of players, pursuant to the licensing agreement. I think what you are seeing is that they have exercised that power, and OOTP has no choice but to comply. Moreover, it is likely that OOTP staff are barred from discussing or explaining the decision. That sucks, but it probably just reflects the power of MLB. The last thing the Commissioner wants is to draw attention to these guys. I don’t play other baseball computer or video games; but I suspect that MLB would be able to exercise similar authority under other licensing agreements. MLB controls the player’s baseball career, and reserves the right to eliminate players who go wrong in life. As if that makes up for what they have done. And as if purging them from a computer game will have any beneficial effect. The only thing I see is perhaps saving MLB from some embarrassment. But why? They have hundreds of players, and some break the law. That, unfortunately, is human nature. I don’t see how MLB should feel guilty or responsible; unless teams have enabled or hidden the bad behavior. To me the silence from the developers speaks volumes. They can’t comment. They would if they could, but they can’t, so they won’t. Rather than complain about their silence, I would direct your ire at MLB, the likely culprit. __________________ Pelican OOTP 2020-? ”Hard to believe, Harry.” Last edited by Pelican; 09-22-2023 at 08:35 AM.

09-23-2023, 10:35 AM	#16
Brad K Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,297	If it IS about MLB licensing it is time to stop paying MLB to be told what to do. __________________ Pirates Play Moneyball 1951 to 2008 46,000 views and counting!... Wow, up to 47,000, thank you. Wow, I hadn't checked for weeks. Oct 9 2024 its 79,561. Why do people use different players, different lineups, different strategy, development, talent change randomness, and the development lab, but judge the game on whether it produces historical statistics?

09-24-2023, 09:35 AM	#20
Pelican Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Wilmington, Delaware Posts: 2,791 Blog Entries: 1	I don’t know if this is clear to everybody, but, if OOTP does not enter into a licensing agreement with MLB or the players association, and pay whatever fees are negotiated, they are not going to be able to produce the game as in past years. It’s pretty simple, and it sucks to not have more control; but that’s a golden rule situation, and MLB and the PA have the gold and make the rules. Just as the NFL has the gold, and Madden and others have to play by their rules. It’s not a situation I like one bit; but it is unlikely to change anytime soon. __________________ Pelican OOTP 2020-? ”Hard to believe, Harry.”

09-19-2023, 10:20 AM	#2
rcro Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 42	Oh, I see Didnt catch that. Carry on.

09-21-2023, 09:30 AM	#3
whaleheader Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 242	What didn't you see? I've posted in the Bug Forum but haven't seen a response from the developers.

09-21-2023, 10:34 AM	#5
rcro Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 42	I didnt see he was a child molester(allegedly), and there is a chance he will never play in MLB again. Dont know what the right way of handling it is. Maybe retire him like Bauer?

09-21-2023, 11:13 AM	#6
whaleheader Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 242	Both players are on the MLB Restricted List and are getting paid. J.C. Mejia has been suspended 162 games for PEDs and is currently on the Restricted List but appears in today's live start file. So, it's not a matter of a glitch where a player is on a list that removes him from the game. OOTP should handle Urias and Franco like they handled Bauer and other players who went on the Admin/Restricted List. If OOTP gameplayers want to delete the player immediately, that's up to them. If others want to wait until an investigation is completed and then take action, that should be their choice as well. I get that the allegations, particularly with Franco, are terrible. They are still just allegations. Deleting the players completely, when both are still getting paid by their respective teams, jumps to conclusions that MLB and the MLBPA haven't reached. A more direct comparison is Felipe Vázquez. He's actually been convicted and is in jail (expected to be released this month). He wasn't removed from the game. He's retired.

09-21-2023, 11:20 AM	#7
rcro Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 42	I understand what you mean to say. Im afraid i also understand the devs for taking this path. Nasty PR to have a presumed child molester in ur game. You can always give some random half a star their contracts to balance the books

09-21-2023, 08:07 PM	#10
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,453 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I stand corrected. Franco is not in the game. Crazy thing to me is, he isn't in the league history section either.

09-21-2023, 08:14 PM	#11
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,453 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Just created 2022 historical league and Franco is on the Rays. Would the license dictate he can exist in a historical game, but not a MLB quickstart game?

09-22-2023, 06:42 AM	#12
rcro Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 42	I seriously doubt MLB mandated his removal. I think its the devs distancing themselves.

09-22-2023, 08:52 AM	#15
whaleheader Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 242	All the speculation about the MLB license is not accurate. Franco is still a member of the MLBPA. As such he's still included in the license. Again, he's not suspended. He's being paid and the accusations are being investigated. Even if MLB decides to suspend him, as long as he's still under contract he's still a member of MLB and MLBPA. The devs can clear all this up by posting a response.