Noob questions about pitcher fatigue

[Humboldt KA]

-How much does does the color on the pitcher's fatigue bar matter?

-Do additional pitches that move a player toward the next color but not into it matter?

-Do IBB pitches count for fatigue?

-I've seen forum posts about a "% fatigued" that can be seen for all members of a pitching staff and that can vary even if none show any fatigue battery icons. How do I find this?

[Syd Thrift]

I think intentional walks do count as 1 pitch. The further into the red a pitcher gets in a game, the more walks and homeruns he'll give up and the fewer strikeouts. I believe fatigue used to have an effect on BABIP but I believe it no longer does. So if you're playing in a historical league sometimes that little bar can mean next to nothing (of course the other issue is that you greatly increase the chances of the pitcher getting injured if he plays tired).

I'm not sure exactly what the next question means. I think the game adds up pitches and considers level of fatigue after the pitch is thrown but I wouldn't be surprised if under the hood it's a relatively linear gradient rather than a "oops you suddenly went into the red now you're toast" thing.

[Humboldt KA]

I mean: does anyone have data?

[Larryk007]

Hopefully not off topic. But the scale for fatigue/stamina is 0-100 in the pitcher profile. But the pitcher editor is a 1-200 scale. A pitcher with 60 stamina shows 120 in the pitcher editor. Can we guess that a pitcher in the editor with 120 has 120 pitches max? or...........what does it mean? Then with 120 does the fatigue start at some % like so, 100 pitches would start the descent to fatigue.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Larryk007

Hopefully not off topic. But the scale for fatigue/stamina is 0-100 in the pitcher profile. But the pitcher editor is a 1-200 scale. A pitcher with 60 stamina shows 120 in the pitcher editor. Can we guess that a pitcher in the editor with 120 has 120 pitches max? or...........what does it mean? Then with 120 does the fatigue start at some % like so, 100 pitches would start the descent to fatigue.

No, it's not a straight up "this stamina = these number of pitches" deal. The number of pitches a guy can throw before he gets into the red will vary based on the era you're in, not to mention, if the guy's in relief, how many days of rest he's on (that also matters for starters but you're unlikely to see it in the modern era with strict 5 man rotations).

[Pdubya64]

I figure that when Markus dreamed up OOTP, somewhere, likely early on he decided to conceal the "guts" of exactly how results are achieved on purpose.
While I get frustrated at this when it affects mundane things like basic definitions, I can appreciate why he chose the route he did.

Unfortunately, that means questions like the ones you guys have are exercises in hunches, WAGs and experience based on playing the game. So, it is exceedingly difficult to get concrete answers to many aspects of OOTP.
I have come to terms with most of it as I love Baseball too much and this is the only real example of a game that simulates what I want.
YMMV.

[twins_34]

Originally Posted by Pdubya64

I figure that when Markus dreamed up OOTP, somewhere, likely early on he decided to conceal the "guts" of exactly how results are achieved on purpose.
While I get frustrated at this when it affects mundane things like basic definitions, I can appreciate why he chose the route he did.

Unfortunately, that means questions like the ones you guys have are exercises in hunches, WAGs and experience based on playing the game. So, it is exceedingly difficult to get concrete answers to many aspects of OOTP.
I have come to terms with most of it as I love Baseball too much and this is the only real example of a game that simulates what I want.
YMMV.

He didnt conceal anything, you can see how things work. You can see the pitch count in game, you can see how tired your pitcher is.

From the 1800's until the 50's pitchers were throwing 140 something pitches a game and you usually had like 2 to 3 main pitchers and that one guy that almost threw every single day. (Well at least seemed like they did) I mean in 1915 they had 154 games and people like Walter Johnson threw 1/3rd of them games in a season and threw like 30-40 complete games.

OOTP is based just like that. It was not really until the 70's that we started seeing power closers, but still, a lot of pitchers would throw complete games.

It was not until the late 90's early 2k that pitch counts really started to become a big thing. The excuse was there were more injuries, pitchers threw harder, but that's a bunch of crap. I mean look at people like Nolan Ryan and Vida Blue, JR Richard... Power pitchers that threw in the 100's and threw complete games. Nolan Ryan would see anywhere from 30 to 60 batters faced (Was 58 and was a 13 inning complete game for Ryan).

Today, pitchers usually only see a batter twice so around 18 batters. It's not that they don't have the stamina to face more, its just a rule of thumb now days that once a batter has seen you more than once they can catch on how to hit you or some kind of stupid thinking or excuse like that.

But, based on the era, like Sid stated, pitchers can last longer. Usually from the 1800's to 1980 you can start pitchers once every 3 to 4 days and use them to like 130-140 pitches thrown. In the 90's I would say pitches thrown fall to like 110-120ish and then the 2010's and later, almost no pitcher would go past 100 pitches thrown unless they have done really well in a game to where by the 9th they are around 90 pitches and their team is allowing them to complete the game, which is such a rare feat in todays MLB.

But no, nothing is hidden. set up some pitchers with different stamina 40. 50, 60, 70, 80, run some sims, see when they were taken out, how may pictes they threw, OOTP tells you how many pitches they throw each game. But like Sid said, the different ERAS (Not earn runs but actual eras), earlier years, pitchers throw more pitches than they do today, but you CAN figure out very easy by just doing a little testing on how rated stamina translates to in game tiredness/stamina bar.

[Humboldt KA]

Originally Posted by twins_34

He didnt conceal anything, you can see how things work. You can see the pitch count in game, you can see how tired your pitcher is.

From the 1800's until the 50's pitchers were throwing 140 something pitches a game and you usually had like 2 to 3 main pitchers and that one guy that almost threw every single day. (Well at least seemed like they did) I mean in 1915 they had 154 games and people like Walter Johnson threw 1/3rd of them games in a season and threw like 30-40 complete games.

Do total IP or pitchers thrown matter? Replaying the 1924 Senators, pitching the Big Train every 3rd day b/c his profile always says "100% rested" after two days off. After 102 games he has started 36 and pitched 274 innings, which equates to ~ 415 for the season. (His profile also says "Iron Man.") Any reason not to keep doing this?

[Syd Thrift]

He should be taking 3 days to rest with a 4 man rotation that I’m sure the game is set to default to but yeah, if you’re always starting him at 100% you should be fine from an injury risk standpoint.