Shohei Otani Not Living Up to 100 rating

[davidelgin]

I was able to get a Shohei Otani MLB 2023 Live card - but his performance, both pitching and hitting suck. I wonder if I am I not using him correctly.

What has your experience been?

[Fabtron7]

The short answer is all the “Live” series cards are very bad compared to all the other types of cards in the game. You can easily find bronze and silver level historical cards that are better than most or all the live series 100 cards.

There are two other Ohtani cards in the game a historical diamond card and a 100 “PT Elite” series card that are both much much much better. The PT Elite one was released very recently as is very playable.

Sadly the best thing to do with the Ohtani card you have is sell it.

[Hwilensky]

100%. agree with Fabtron

[Heater41]

how do get the pt elite version? is it only in packs?

[Fabtron7]

Originally Posted by Heater41

how do get the pt elite version? is it only in packs?

Yep it’s a packs only card. Or you can buy one from the card shop… but it’s pricey.

[Heater41]

Thank you

[Fabtron7]

For those that haven't seen it this is that what good Ohtani looks like.

[rburgh]

As a pitcher, he's probably equivalent to some live Bronze cards, and may even be worse than the better ones. Even in a live only tourney, he's a bat only guy. But the good news is that, in a live only format, he's a top tier hitter.

[PunishedF2P]

Originally Posted by Fabtron7

For those that haven't seen it this is that what good Ohtani looks like.

Honestly, feel like this card is weaker than it should be. Really just playable in cap tourneys and lower league play (Gold and below).

Especially considering he led the AL in HRs and that was in only 135 games. Plus 91 walks, over .300 average, led the AL in OBP, SLG and (obviously) OPS. His pitching ratings are reasonable, but they short-changed this card on the hitting side.

[LeeD]

I've sold all of my live Ohtanis because a) he isn't required to complete the PT Elite mission for the Angels and b) I seem to draw live Mike Trout 50% of the time I pull a perfect card. It's getting to the point that my appreciation of Trout's career is being threatened.

[bdawg]

Yep the overall ratings are a joke (and frankly shouldn't be in the game if they are unusable). It's like watching Whose Line - the points don't matter. There's no math to calculate the overall from the ability ratings.

In lower leagues (Bronze and below) look for Power and Eye in your batters, and throw in a couple of players with good Avoid K and BABIP at the top of the lineup. In upper leagues (Silver and above) look for Avoid K, BABIP, and Eye, and mix in some Power with a couple of guys.

Best way to learn is to watch what players play well for other teams in your league.

The game has a formula for winning, and a lot of players on these forums will happily tell you how you should keep playing and enjoy, while they start new teams and zoom past you in the standings because they don't play for the same kind of "fun," they play to win with that formula. Nothing wrong with that, but it definitely takes some fun out of the game for a lot of us casual players (as does the fact that historically great MLB players don't usually perform as well in the game, and frankly I want to field a team with the greats that I know and love, not random guys from the 1910s Deadball era who only hit 5 HRs in a season having a power rating of 130 in the game).

[rburgh]

They are primarily used to establish a base price for the card in the card shop. If they made it so that the ratings were indicative of performance in the game, there wouldn't be anybody rated over 75 released for the first three months of the game and the howls would be heard on the moon.

[bdawg]

Originally Posted by rburgh

They are primarily used to establish a base price for the card in the card shop. If they made it so that the ratings were indicative of performance in the game, there wouldn't be anybody rated over 75 released for the first three months of the game and the howls would be heard on the moon.

Why put numbers on the cards then? Why not just give them colors? You can still say "X is a perfect category card" without saying he's rated 100, or "Y is a diamond card" without saying he's rated 95.

It's okay to say that the devs assigned arbitrary values to these cards, because that's what they have done. I'm a stats guy and if I see a number I want to know how it's calculated - and when it's arbitrarily decided, it needs to be stated as such. We don't need to explain it away as "it makes sense because X" or be apologists about it. Just say "yes values are somewhat arbitrary." It seems backhanded to blame the users for the reasons behind it (i.e. "the howls would be heard on the moon") when the real primary reason is to setup a system where new cards in each category are released weekly and users can keep funneling money into buying PPs and purchasing new packs and new cards.

It's okay to be critical of things. Critical suggestions/opinions provide feedback to possibly make a better product next time.

[Hwilensky]

Originally Posted by bdawg

Why put numbers on the cards then? Why not just give them colors? You can still say "X is a perfect category card" without saying he's rated 100, or "Y is a diamond card" without saying he's rated 95.

It's okay to say that the devs assigned arbitrary values to these cards, because that's what they have done. I'm a stats guy and if I see a number I want to know how it's calculated - and when it's arbitrarily decided, it needs to be stated as such. We don't need to explain it away as "it makes sense because X" or be apologists about it. Just say "yes values are somewhat arbitrary." It seems backhanded to blame the users for the reasons behind it (i.e. "the howls would be heard on the moon") when the real primary reason is to setup a system where new cards in each category are released weekly and users can keep funneling money into buying PPs and purchasing new packs and new cards.

It's okay to be critical of things. Critical suggestions/opinions provide feedback to possibly make a better product next time.

Thank you for having the ability to put into words what I couldn't.

[Kushiel]

Originally Posted by bdawg

Why put numbers on the cards then? Why not just give them colors? You can still say "X is a perfect category card" without saying he's rated 100, or "Y is a diamond card" without saying he's rated 95.

It's okay to say that the devs assigned arbitrary values to these cards, because that's what they have done. I'm a stats guy and if I see a number I want to know how it's calculated - and when it's arbitrarily decided, it needs to be stated as such. We don't need to explain it away as "it makes sense because X" or be apologists about it. Just say "yes values are somewhat arbitrary." It seems backhanded to blame the users for the reasons behind it (i.e. "the howls would be heard on the moon") when the real primary reason is to setup a system where new cards in each category are released weekly and users can keep funneling money into buying PPs and purchasing new packs and new cards.

It's okay to be critical of things. Critical suggestions/opinions provide feedback to possibly make a better product next time.

Perfect!

It is all about the Benjamins since the takeover. Love of the "Great Game" no longer fuels the franchise.

[psav13]

As noted above, a 100 Live card is a weak card compared to most historical cards. Has anyone ever assembled any sort of hierarchy of PT Card Types such as Immortal Season > Legend > Hardware Hero > Live that includes all the PT Card Types? If so, has anyone taken it a step further to attempt to assign a factor for how much better or worse one PT Card Type is (generally) versus the next? Or is it just the complete clusterf*** that it appears to be?

[PunishedF2P]

Originally Posted by psav13

As noted above, a 100 Live card is a weak card compared to most historical cards. Has anyone ever assembled any sort of hierarchy of PT Card Types such as Immortal Season > Legend > Hardware Hero > Live that includes all the PT Card Types? If so, has anyone taken it a step further to attempt to assign a factor for how much better or worse one PT Card Type is (generally) versus the next? Or is it just the complete clusterf*** that it appears to be?

There isn't a hierarchy based on the type of non-live card.

But it's also not a cluster****. The hierarchy is based on release date; that's pretty much it. The later in the cycle the cards are released, the better the cards are.

[rburgh]

It is all about the Benjamins since the takeover. Love of the "Great Game" no longer fuels the franchise.

Markus is a gem, and he loves baseball. But he wouldn't have devoted 25 years of his life to working for peanuts when he has the obvious ability to design at least the architecture for an exceedingly complex computer program.

[LeeD]

Originally Posted by rburgh

Markus is a gem, and he loves baseball. But he wouldn't have devoted 25 years of his life to working for peanuts when he has the obvious ability to design at least the architecture for an exceedingly complex computer program.

True that. Markus has to thread the needle between creating a great baseball sim and making money for himself and his new corporate partners. If you don't like the evolution of Perfect Team and its incessant cries for spending on Perfect Points (and they are getting incessant), there's still the base game, which is head and shoulders above everything else in the sports sim category. There's also a head-to-head option in base game if you're willing to join an online league, and that doesn't have to cost you any more than the new version once a year.

[Kushiel]

Originally Posted by rburgh

Markus is a gem, and he loves baseball. But he wouldn't have devoted 25 years of his life to working for peanuts when he has the obvious ability to design at least the architecture for an exceedingly complex computer program.

I would never question Markus. But IMHO he was never a bottom line, how much can I make guy. He loves baseball.

However, when a corporate entity takes control of a business, the love of the product is replaced by the love of the dollar. To say or believe differently is naive. This game is much more dedicated to the pictures of Mr. Franklin now. You need look no further than the almost weekly release of a new meta enticed by the "Oh yeah, you need to buy these special expensive packs to really have very much of a chance at these new cards. But we will add them to the regular packs in a week or two." This is purely max profit driven.

I am for the company making money. You can look back all the way to PT19 and my comments about point sales to see that. I just don't like to feel as if my love of the game and competitive drive is trying to be taken advantage of. That is what the constant holding out of your open hand does to your customers. People are leaving, ignore it or not. Others are like me. I have spent some money every year on one team culminated with the highest total this year. But PT24 was the last of my spending for PT. I am still on the fence but may do PT+ for one team but no more than that. Big deal, right? My dollars mean little. But when enough people feel this way, and the number is growing, people will wonder what happened.