Opposing reliever in bullpen?

[MitchU]

Is there a way to see a reliever warming up in the bullpen on the opposing team? I use the warm up feature for my relievers to make it a bit more realistic, but many times when I'm putting in a pinch hitter due to a left/right matchup, my opponent's pitcher gets changed and I never knew they were in the bullpen warming up. It would add much more realism if that was added as well.

Thanks!

[slugga27]

The AI doesn’t use the warm up rule.


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[tonnage]

Originally Posted by MitchU

Is there a way to see a reliever warming up in the bullpen on the opposing team? I use the warm up feature for my relievers to make it a bit more realistic, but many times when I'm putting in a pinch hitter due to a left/right matchup, my opponent's pitcher gets changed and I never knew they were in the bullpen warming up. It would add much more realism if that was added as well.

Agreed!

Originally Posted by slugga27

The AI doesn’t use the warm up rule.

That doesn't seem right. If I select the warm up rule, the opposing team should automatically be playing by the same rule.

[MitchU]

Originally Posted by slugga27

The AI doesn’t use the warm up rule.


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Like the previous poster said, if I use the warm up rule, the AI should as well, or at least give me a check box option to have it. Seems like a relatively easy fix.

[Ataraxzy]

Devs have said that it's devilishly hard to program the AI for using warmup rules for relievers - the decision tree is too complicated.

So, I just turn that off and pretend in my head that past me was smarter than current me.

[MitchU]

Originally Posted by Ataraxzy

Devs have said that it's devilishly hard to program the AI for using warmup rules for relievers - the decision tree is too complicated.

So, I just turn that off and pretend in my head that past me was smarter than current me.

Still doesn't seem that hard since it knows what reliever to put in next. The whole point of warming a pitcher up in the game (and real life) is a manager looking ahead a few batters in the lineup and using strategy (or is it tactics?) to plan for what's upcoming. OOTP is a terrific strategy-based game and finding a way to add this very important part of managing a game to make it even more realistic would be amazing!

[slugga27]

Originally Posted by MitchU

Still doesn't seem that hard since it knows what reliever to put in next. The whole point of warming a pitcher up in the game (and real life) is a manager looking ahead a few batters in the lineup and using strategy (or is it tactics?) to plan for what's upcoming. OOTP is a terrific strategy-based game and finding a way to add this very important part of managing a game to make it even more realistic would be amazing!

Are you a programmer, by chance?


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[tonnage]

Originally Posted by slugga27

Are you a programmer, by chance?


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Are you? If so, please explain the difficulty, and I don't mean this with any disrespect. As somebody that isn't a programmer, I'd like to know what the difficulty is?

[Qrusher14242]

Originally Posted by slugga27

The AI doesn’t use the warm up rule.


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Which is funny cause if i quick-play to the next inning and my pitcher is getting shelled (will have a pop-up saying so, like if they lets up 4 runs) i will see guys are warmed up in the bullpen who i didn't put there. So it is able to do it, but only for the user's team? which is odd.

[slugga27]

Originally Posted by tonnage

Are you? If so, please explain the difficulty, and I don't mean this with any disrespect. As somebody that isn't a programmer, I'd like to know what the difficulty is?

The burden of proof is on the guy who claimed it wasn’t difficult. I never claimed to be a programmer, nor did I say it was difficult or not.


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[MitchU]

Originally Posted by slugga27

The burden of proof is on the guy who claimed it wasn’t difficult. I never claimed to be a programmer, nor did I say it was difficult or not.


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Hi, I'm not a programmer and I'll assume you were using a sarcastic tone when you originally asked, and I'm ok with that...no hurt feelings here. So, sure, maybe it isnt an "easy fix", but considering the amount of amazing things OOTP offers, it seems like it should fit within their skill set. My thought being, as an example, the game seems to "know" whether to put in a lefty or righty based on my pinch hitting choice. If it does that, then it must "anticipate" when I'll be using a pinch hitter, which would mean it would know when to start warming a reliever. Does that make sense to you all?

[Carplos]

Here's a comment from Matt from a couple years ago. https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...2&postcount=28

The logic clearly isn't that simple.

[MitchU]

Originally Posted by Carplos

Here's a comment from Matt from a couple years ago. https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...2&postcount=28

The logic clearly isn't that simple.

Fair enough, and thanks for finding that comment. Maybe its something that can be done for OOTP26? Meantime, I'm going to enjoy the game all season and not sweat it.

[BusterKing]

I have been asking for that for, well over 20years. Tony La Russa game had that feature well.. over 20 years ago.

I still have hope!

[md40022]

Not being able to see who the computer is warming up totally handcuffs you when it comes to managing situational pinch hitters, no doubt about it.

I've always played with warm-ups OFF only because I don't like managing them on my end..... and for that reason I've always just dealt with what I mention in the above paragraph. I mean, if I'm not willing to manage my bullpen then I can't complain about not being able to see how the computer manages their bullpen haha.

But for the people who do use bullpen warmups, I think you have a really legit gripe here. I'm sure it's a difficult feature to add. I have no reason to doubt the developers if they say that. And God knows they got enough on their plate as is. Buttttt, in my personal opinion finding a way to add that feature should be darn near close to the top of the list of things to address for next year, because yes that abso-freaking-lutely affects how you situationally manage a baseball game and that's right at the core of what OOTP is about.

[tonnage]

I was kind of hoping for umpires more than base coaches... but both would be great. I wonder, would umpires be harder to add than base coaches, or easier?

[tward13]

I'd much rather have opponent warmup than umpires or coaches which are just cosmetic.

As a systems analyst it was my job to ask the programmers why it was so hard. Then weigh the time it would take to program a "difficult" process against the thousands of hours of savings or better experience for users.

The question is, is it impossible or just hard? I was not a programmer.

[tonnage]

Originally Posted by tward13

I'd much rather have opponent warmup than umpires or coaches which are just cosmetic.

Fair enough. It would be kinda' cool to see an umpire ring somebody up though!

[Sweed]

As one that uses warmups I don't feel in the least shortchanged because the AI doesn't warmup their RP. I do it to add challenge (it's not really very challenging) for me, and I'm sorry, would doubt the AI's ability to handle it correctly. Just because other games have had it doesn't mean it worked well. It's also fair to say that my doubting of the AI doesn't mean it can't be done and done well.

I would actually fully support OOTP adding the feature whenever the coders feel it can be done well. Having said that it wouldn't be anywhere near the top of my personal "want list". It it were to be added I would request that there be a separate on/off toggle for both human and AI. IOW I want it so I can turn it on for me, but off for the AI.

[md40022]

Originally Posted by tonnage

Fair enough. It would be kinda' cool to see an umpire ring somebody up though!

I should probably bite my tongue here because it is going to sound like I'm throwing dirt when I'm truly not trying to do that at all, but the visuals of the game are a little too choppy in my opinion to really give a darn about them (my opinion). Yes, it would be cool to see an ump call a runner "out" at home plate on a perfect throw from the rightfielder. Of course. Butttttttt when the rightfielder throws the ball to the cutoff man who is extremely out of position, standing at the normal shortstop position, and the ball then arrives at home plate when that same runner hasn't even touched 3rd base yet and the runner then only begins his slide when he's several feet past home plate and almost back in the dugout the "coolness" of the ump calling him out kind of goes away.... at least in my opinion.

And I sincerely am not trying to throw dirt by saying that. The game is magnificent and the engine of the game is the most comprehensive thing I could ever ask for. But if we are taking votes, my vote would be for less visuals of umpires and coaches and more towards the already wonderful simulation and engine of the game.