New Ratings? (especially relievers)

[Rosco Peabody]

I am one of those that usually gets OOTP religiously every year, but I failed to last year (to my shame!)

I have purchased OOTP25 and I was shocked when I imported my old season (fictional league). The ratings system (especially for relievers) seems to have changed a ton. Where I had a lot of 70-80 out of 80 relievers before in my league, now there are only a handful.



Is there a reason or rational for how everything got rescouted? I have a few top prospects that are no longer top prospects. I had a guy who was an 80 OVR that I was bringing up to be my next legendary closer and now he's a 50 OVR. I had spent top draft picks on guys who were 80/80 potential and now they're like 40/80.


I'm not saying I don't like how it's changed the landscape of the league (i do), but I'm a little bummed that my minor league system is now trash comparatively. I apologize if this is something that was covered in OOTP24 or something everyones knows about. I have been away from the game for roughly 15 months and am just getting back into it

[Rosco Peabody]

This is one of those examples. The bottom is the last ratings from OOTP23. The top is the new ratings in OOTP25

[Sweed]

If you haven't already you should check out this thread and the link Matt posted in the first thread. A lot changed in the ratings world under the hood and the link gives some detailed explanations.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=352897

[coolfish2]

Originally Posted by Rosco Peabody

Is there a reason or rational for how everything got rescouted? I have a few top prospects that are no longer top prospects.

they changed display of ratings recently, so we can see more 45 - 55 players and see less 60+ players now. Think about draft pools in old OOTP version, they inflation pretty quickly after around 4-5 years.
also I believe they changed contact/stuff calculation formula.

It's pretty more realistic and looks good but I also think they should adjust details for RP/CP too. because there will be no 65+ RP/CP in MLB after few years start game. you know, still someone should get 70 - 80 score in a league.

Originally Posted by Rosco Peabody

I'm a little bummed that my minor league system is now trash comparatively.

anyway, they will work same as before since It's only display changes and so you don't need to worry about your minor league system.

Originally Posted by Rosco Peabody

This is one of those examples. The bottom is the last ratings from OOTP23. The top is the new ratings in OOTP25

It looks little weird ,even if it was scouted as SP, changes of movement and control ratings are. how about other pitchers in league? have they changed similarly?

[Rosco Peabody]

Originally Posted by coolfish2

It looks little weird ,even if it was scouted as SP, changes of movement and control ratings are. how about other pitchers in league? have they changed similarly?

yes, my league (probably because of settings I had messed with) had been getting more and more 60+ potential players. I would actually have like around a dozen pitchers in each draft that projected above 75/80


But now it seems like pitchers have gone a little too far the other way

[Rosco Peabody]

Originally Posted by coolfish2

anyway, they will work same as before since It's only display changes and so you don't need to worry about your minor league system.

So am I to understand this correctly that the players skill levels will be the same (like the same output), but just displayed differently in OVR rating? Is that correct?

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by coolfish2

they changed display of ratings recently, so we can see more 45 - 55 players and see less 60+ players now. Think about draft pools in old OOTP version, they inflation pretty quickly after around 4-5 years.
also I believe they changed contact/stuff calculation formula.

It's pretty more realistic and looks good but I also think they should adjust details for RP/CP too. because there will be no 65+ RP/CP in MLB after few years start game. you know, still someone should get 70 - 80 score in a league.



anyway, they will work same as before since It's only display changes and so you don't need to worry about your minor league system.



It looks little weird ,even if it was scouted as SP, changes of movement and control ratings are. how about other pitchers in league? have they changed similarly?

Reliver's max out at 65. If you have one at 80 overall you're saying they are as valuable as that star player 80 overall.

If you want 80 overall relivers then change the scouting from all players to per position and you should see at least 1-2 80 rated players per position.

Otherwise when players are all rated together vs each other, no top reliever will be as valuable as a top position player or starting pitcher.

[pfholden]

Originally Posted by Rosco Peabody

So am I to understand this correctly that the players skill levels will be the same (like the same output), but just displayed differently in OVR rating? Is that correct?

This is my understanding, yeah.

[turtle4499]

Originally Posted by pfholden

This is my understanding, yeah.

Every pitch rating in game was changed outright and no longer use the same formulas. Stuff ratings for relievers vs starters was also changed and so was stuff velo bonuses.

Individual pitch ratings are no longer tightly correlated with stuff rating for the pitch (this is probably a bug). Easy to see make a pitcher with a fastball of 1 and a velo of 100.

[Rosco Peabody]

As much as I like the new ratings system, I have so many of these guys. This is yet another one that I found. Below was what he was before OOTP25. Top is his rating now. THAT is a killer

[SirMichaelJordan]

Originally Posted by Rosco Peabody

As much as I like the new ratings system, I have so many of these guys. This is yet another one that I found. Below was what he was before OOTP25. Top is his rating now. THAT is a killer

He's rated at 80 as a RP not SP.

[coolfish2]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

Reliver's max out at 65. If you have one at 80 overall you're saying they are as valuable as that star player 80 overall.

If you want 80 overall relivers then change the scouting from all players to per position and you should see at least 1-2 80 rated players per position.

Otherwise when players are all rated together vs each other, no top reliever will be as valuable as a top position player or starting pitcher.

I agree with that. I think bullpen cannot be better than starter, too. but the problem is - scouter should not say 65 bullpens are not a Closer.
They are even say 70 bullpen CAN be a Closer. He never say he 'is' Closer.
What's the point say like thay if there are no more 65+ reliever in a league.

and still we have remain one more problem that ratings are changed between SP/RP. If we decided to scouting all players in the same time, not each position, I think rating shouldn't be changed when change their roles. It just gives confusion.

I'm okay with both new/old rating system, both are understandable, but dev should be clear where they want to go for now.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=354187
This is what I posted before.
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beside, I also think this is kind of a bug that I could find 4 of 70-80 Closer from International FA last 15 years, but no prospects reached 70-80 in RP/CP last 15 years. I can't see even 75+ stuff for reliever.

Every players who I found have 2 pitches with 75/80 stuff and max 35 stamina so they were born to be Bullpen pitcher.

[Rosco Peabody]

Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

He's rated at 80 as a RP not SP.

yeah I noticed that too after I posted it, but switching it to RP only brings him to a 43 POT rating