Thread for player identification in team photos

[RUKen]

Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

I am happy to concede that Pickering is located in the bottom row, but I find it difficult to accept that Yeager is not in the team photo as there is an individual photo of him appearing alongside in the same newspaper on the same day and all the other players portrayed individually are placed in the team photo. If Pickering is in the bottom row then that would place Yeager in the top row.

On the basis of suggestions made so far Charles Baker would be located as 10 in the top row or 4 in the bottom row.

That's a great image of Baker, but I honestly think that the only good match for him is the player you've identified as Yeager. (See my next post for my Yeager suggestion.)

[UKBaseballfan]

Although Rudy Hulswitt did not represent Cleveland in 1901, his presence is, also confirmed by the Sporting News, in Spring Training. In the April 27th edition it states , "The infield positions have been practically decided upon with Hallman at short, Beck at second, while Hulswitt and Shay will be kept as utility men."

Hulswitt could be the player on the top left. I would not rule out Baker as the player in position 4 of the bottom row. Also attached is an image of Danny Shay.

[RUKen]

After all this back-and-forth, I noticed that the man in the bottom row, second from the right, is wearing white pants (look at his right knee), a dark sweater and dark cap, and he has the correct jawline and eyes for George Yeager. That must be him.

[RUKen]

Of the players who were on the Cleveland roster in 1900 that were also in camp with them in spring 1901, the only one that we haven't already IDed in the photo is Danny Shay. It is possible that it is him at the top right, wearing a Cleveland uniform, but I think not. See my next post for what I believe is a better answer.

[RUKen]

Originally Posted by RUKen

Of the players who were on the Cleveland roster in 1900 that were also in camp with them in spring 1901, the only one that we haven't already IDed in the photo is Danny Shay. It is possible that it is him at the top right, wearing a Cleveland uniform, but I think not.

I think a more plausible answer is that Rudy Hulswitt is top row, third from the right, and Frank Cross (who played for Cleveland in 1900) is in the top row on the far right in the Cleveland uniform; Danny Shay was absent as I had earlier stated.

[UKBaseballfan]

I had not picked up the lettering on the uniform of the player top right was representing Cleveland. Tim Flood was also with Cleveland in 1900. You could well be right about Yeager's positioning. Attached below the player in the image in the middle along with exemplars for Cross and Flood.

[RUKen]

Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

I had not picked up the lettering on the uniform of the player top right was representing Cleveland. Tim Flood was also with Cleveland in 1900. You could well be right about Yeager's positioning.

I'm inclined to stick with Flood in the bottom row and Cross in the upper row, but the two players in the group photo look similar enough that they could be reversed.

[UKBaseballfan]

Just one final observation. To me and totally subjective, the player in position 8 of the back row looks older than those in position 10 and position 3 of the bottom row. Cross was 28 in 1901 whereas Hulswitt and Flood were both 24. The player in the back row in position 10 appears shorter than the player in position 8. Hulswitt is an inch shorter than Flood and Cross at 5'8" listing. My leaning is to place Flood as T8, Hulswitt T10 and Cross B3. 4 images of Flood attached.

[RUKen]

Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

Just one final observation. To me and totally subjective, the player in position 8 of the back row looks older than those in position 10 and position 3 of the bottom row. Cross was 28 in 1901 whereas Hulswitt and Flood were both 24. The player in the back row in position 10 appears shorter than the player in position 8. Hulswitt is an inch shorter than Flood and Cross at 5'8" listing. My leaning is to place Flood as T8, Hulswitt T10 and Cross B3.

Hulswitt had never played for a Cleveland team before, so it seems very unlikely to me that he would have been working out in a Cleveland uniform before they had been distributed to the whole team. I think that if it is not Hulswitt top row, third from the right, then it could be one of the players in camp of whom we have no images (Hart/Stupka/Sump). We can't resolve that unless we find photos of each.

[UKBaseballfan]

Originally Posted by RUKen

Hulswitt had never played for a Cleveland team before, so it seems very unlikely to me that he would have been working out in a Cleveland uniform before they had been distributed to the whole team. I think that if it is not Hulswitt top row, third from the right, then it could be one of the players in camp of whom we have no images (Hart/Stupka/Sump). We can't resolve that unless we find photos of each.

Yes, you are correct. The player top right has to be either Flood or Cross, apologies. I don't see Hulswitt as the player in the bottom row. If Hulswitt is in the image it will be where you suggest.

You have mentioned H. Hart being present in training. Could this be Hub Hart?, he would have been 23 at the time, images attached.

[RUKen]

Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

You have mentioned H. Hart being present in training. Could this be Hub Hart?, he would have been 23 at the time, images attached.

'Sorry; I missed your Hart question earlier. James H. "Hub" Hart played center field for Boston College in the spring of 1900 and was already called "Hub" in the newspapers at that time. He could possibly have been in spring training with Cleveland in 1901, but I haven't found any Cleveland connection for him, so I cannot say with confidence that he is or is not the "H. Hart" mentioned in the Cleveland papers.

[UKBaseballfan]

The latest RMY auction features a team photo identified as the 1949 New York Giants. Does anyone have the identifications of the personnel displayed in this image, attached? Thank you.

[infieldfly]

Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

The latest RMY auction features a team photo identified as the 1949 New York Giants. Does anyone have the identifications of the personnel displayed in this image, attached? Thank you.

I recognize most of them and I think it should be pretty easy to figure out the rest. In case someone feels like pursuing it before I get a chance, I'm attaching a 2x Topaz enlarged and enhanced image which should make it easier. It mucked up the cap logos but the faces came out nicely.

[infieldfly]

Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

The latest RMY auction features a team photo identified as the 1949 New York Giants. Does anyone have the identifications of the personnel displayed in this image, attached? Thank you.

How confident are you that this is from '49? I see George WIlson and Bill Connelly in the back row and neither of them were with the Giants until '52.

[infieldfly]

Originally Posted by infieldfly

How confident are you that this is from '49? I see George WIlson and Bill Connelly in the back row and neither of them were with the Giants until '52.

As I look over the faces, I think this is most probably '52 or '53.

Here's my crack at player id's...left to right omitting the two in front and the non uniformed guys.

Top: maybe Jim Hearn, Clint Hartung, Same Mele, Monte Irvin, ?, maybe Wes Westrum, George Wilson, maybe Monty Kennedy, Bill Connelly, Dave Koslo, maybe Al Corwin
Middle: Alvin Dark, Bill, Rigney, Whitey Lockman, Bobby Thomson, Ray Katt, maybe Max Lanier, maybe Bobby Hofman, Hoyt Wilhelm, Sal Yvars, Bill Elliott
Botton: maybe Daryl Spencer, maybe Davey Williams, Herman Franks, maybe Frank Shellenback, Leo Durocher, Fred Fitzsimmons, Don Mueller, Hank Thompson, Dusty Rhodes


Hopefully our resident historians can complete and correct as needed.

[bobw]

[infieldfly]

Originally Posted by bobw

Thanks! Looks like I did pretty well...

[UKBaseballfan]

Thank you both in terms of correcting the date, upgrading the image and finding the identifications.

[UKBaseballfan]

Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

Thank you both in terms of correcting the date, upgrading the image and finding the identifications.

Another team photo recently featured in an RMY Auction was the attached of the 1926 Washington Senators. It appeared in the Fall Collectors 1924 auction. Does anyone have the identifications of the players shown, thank you.

The following are suggested.

Top Row (l-r)

Jeanes, Marberry, Ogden, J. Harris, Peckinpaugh, Johnson, Myer, Reeves, Rice, Bluege, Goslin, Ruether, Coveleski, Crowder

Bottom Row

Uchrinscko, Ruel, McNeely, Tate, Severeid, B. Harris, Judge, Altrock, Tobin, Stewart

[UKBaseballfan]

The attached team photo is included within the RMY May 1925 Auction. The accompanying narrative dates it as c1915 and states that it includes Zack Wheat and Casey Stengel among others.