Real Life Career Minor Leaguers Making MLB In OOTP

[Brad K]

I have a save that started in 1961 that is now in 1973 that uses historical minor leaguers. Some of them make it to MLB. That's OK with me. One of the reasons I do it is because it gives better ratings for single season players like Carlos Bernier who was actually the first Black Pirate, not Curt Roberts. (Media at the time counted Black Puerto Ricans as Puerto Ricans not Black.)

Anyway, this subject of too many pitchers making it was discusses some time ago in the historical forum, I believe concerning OOTP 24. So I checked may save which is on 25 and here are the results. I'm satisfied with the data on position players but not at all on pitchers.

[Brad K]

Most of the time the best career minor leaguers I see are 2.5 star players. Occasionally someone is a 3.0 star player. Here's someone the dev engine turned into a 5.0 star SP. I checked the editor and the ratings are accurate. Kind of think this isn't a guy to turn into a superstar.

I realize that there probably aren't many of us playing with full minors. Maybe in a couple versions the career minor leaguers issue will work its way up the list for a fix.

I'm playing with lots of money in this save and so I figure players like this give the computer teams some help (I don't allow myself to promote career minor leaguers to MLB). Not sure if I'd feel the same way if I were playing my typical below average money save.

[thehef]

At a glance, Boyett being a top starting pitcher 7 years after the end of his real life and quite unspectacular & very low-level minor league career seems nonsensical. What settings are you using?

[Brad K]

I have development on. What other settings could matter?

[David Watts]

Just curious, what do Boyett's career OOTP stats look like? How did he do prior to 1973?

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Brad K

I have development on.

Ah, that would explain it!

Originally Posted by Brad K

What other settings could matter?

The obvious ones, I guess: The various player development settings and the various recalc settings... Since you are seeing differences - compared to your preferences or expectations - between your batters (good) and pitchers (not to your liking), you might wanna try using different settings for Batter Aging Speed & Batter Dev Speed vs Pitching Aging Speed & Pitcher Dev Speed. However, in full disclosure I rarely play with development on (unless it's with TCR at literally 1) so I may not be the best one to listen to on this...

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Just curious, what do Boyett's career OOTP stats look like? How did he do prior to 1973?

Here you go

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Here you go

Was the 71 season the first he played using OOTP25?

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by thehef

Ah, that would explain it!



The obvious ones, I guess: The various player development settings and the various recalc settings... Since you are seeing differences - compared to your preferences or expectations - between your batters (good) and pitchers (not to your liking), you might wanna try using different settings for Batter Aging Speed & Batter Dev Speed vs Pitching Aging Speed & Pitcher Dev Speed. However, in full disclosure I rarely play with development on (unless it's with TCR at literally 1) so I may not be the best one to listen to on this...

I don't see that having development on is an adequate explanation. Development should not turn this guy into a superstar.

Changing the aging and development settings would cause a lot of other undesirable effects.

I'm all for plausible alternative history. This isn't plausible. Neither is George Korince making the hall of fame. I had that happen several years ago.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...oringe01.shtml

Anyway, I doubt there are many people playing historical minors so I understand this is not near the top of the list for a fix.

[David Watts]

Kind of looks like Boyett has entered the Kris Davis zone starting around 1971. Has he started to look at all like Bill Murray and have you seen him hanging out with Andie Macdowell?

[Scottiedog43]

Brad K
Keep posting about him. I always find these things interesting.

However, in same breath, I’ve seldom did retro-leagues.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Kind of looks like Boyett has entered the Kris Davis zone starting around 1971. Has he started to look at all like Bill Murray and have you seen him hanging out with Andie Macdowell?

Since he's in the AL I had no awareness of him until I saw him on the listing of upcoming FAs.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by scottiedog43

brad k
keep posting about him. I always find these things interesting.

However, in same breath, i’ve seldom did retro-leagues.

ok.

[Matt Arnold]

With development on, anyone can get talent change boosts, especially if they start as a 19 year old.

If you want to avoid that, you probably need to turn the talent change randomness down to as low as it can go, as well as disabling storylines (which can also happen upon big talent swings in rare cases). Then players shouldn't change as much from their imported potentials.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Brad K

I don't see that having development on is an adequate explanation. Development should not turn this guy into a superstar.

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

With development on, anyone can get talent change boosts, especially if they start as a 19 year old.

If you want to avoid that, you probably need to turn the talent change randomness down to as low as it can go, as well as disabling storylines (which can also happen upon big talent swings in rare cases). Then players shouldn't change as much from their imported potentials.

That ^^^ is pretty much exactly what I was going to post. What is your TCR setting?

Also, while I understand you are having more career-milb pitchers than position players make the majors, a) from your original image in your first post are most of positions/pitchers like Boyett (minor scrubs who are surprisingly MLB studs), or are those numbers counting cup-of-coffee guys (those who never made the show IRL but are getting a c'o'c in your league), and b) are the sheer numbers - pitchers being 73 while positionals are 43 - possibly somewhat due to more roster churn among pitchers? I know back in the day teams weren't managing the rosters - especially pitchers - like the shuttle train they do now, but still if AI is making more pitcher roster moves than it is positional roster moves, then pretty much by definition we'd see this issue... Just wondering...

[David Watts]

Stupid question time. When a historical minor league player gets recalc'd does the game realize the players stats are minor league stats? Does it factor in the level of minors? Does a player take a hit from the adjust/weaken settings right off the bat, because they have no big league at bats or big league innings pitched? Even if development and TCR bless Boyett with superstar dust, shouldn't the game roast his butt back to reality the following season when recalc rolls around? Just curious. Thanks.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Stupid question time. When a historical minor league player gets recalc'd does the game realize the players stats are minor league stats? Does it factor in the level of minors? Does a player take a hit from the adjust/weaken settings right off the bat, because they have no big league at bats or big league innings pitched? Even if development and TCR bless Boyett with superstar dust, shouldn't the game roast his butt back to reality the following season when recalc rolls around? Just curious. Thanks.

The are "Major League Equivalencies" applied to minor league stats.

I don't have any details about how those equivalencies are determined...but in the last couple of versions they have looked to produce pretty realistic ratings based on the exploring I have done.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Rain King

The are "Major League Equivalencies" applied to minor league stats.

I don't have any details about how those equivalencies are determined...but in the last couple of versions they have looked to produce pretty realistic ratings based on the exploring I have done.

I just finished 1956 last week using historical minors. 3 year recalc with development on, tcr set to 100. I was seeing very few career minor league player in my league. I then realized I forgot to turn off retire according to history and miss seasons according to history, so I scrapped the league.

I'm now up to the all star break using 1957 historical minors. Again, very few non MLB guys playing. I think it will be interesting to see if the numbers increase as I move from season to season. I'm using free agency, so there's more player movement.

In a random debut league earlier this version I had Masonori Murakami lock into a super stardom career as a closer in which it very much appeared that he was repeating the same season over and over again. Murakami only pitched 1 full year in real life, but like Boyett he put up great strikeout numbers during that season.

[LansdowneSt]

I'm looking at Murakami's age, K/9 and Innings and can totally see him, at age 21, keep on keepin' on at that level until age hits him. Sure, the development engine could hit him to the downside, but so too could he get better from that baseline.

I don't have definitive answers on the A/W since I play with historical minors off or an RD which excludes them. But with development on and recalc off, any one of the minor league kids in Brad's save could develop into the next Roger Clemens and Roger could fade. They are just potential advancing through the engine. Development-only knows not and cares not for the name. So, this statement of his "I don't see that having development on is an adequate explanation. Development should not turn this guy into a superstar." confuses me. Anyone can hit and anyone can miss absent recalc.

Reed, I'll post something tomorrow on the MLEs.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

I'm looking at Murakami's age, K/9 and Innings and can totally see him, at age 21, keep on keepin' on at that level until age hits him. Sure, the development engine could hit him to the downside, but so too could he get better from that baseline.

I don't have definitive answers on the A/W since I play with historical minors off or an RD which excludes them. But with development on and recalc off, any one of the minor league kids in Brad's save could develop into the next Roger Clemens and Roger could fade. They are just potential advancing through the engine. Development-only knows not and cares not for the name. So, this statement of his "I don't see that having development on is an adequate explanation. Development should not turn this guy into a superstar." confuses me. Anyone can hit and anyone can miss absent recalc.

Reed, I'll post something tomorrow on the MLEs.

My issue with Murakami may not be an issue in OOTP26 if the new feature Matt talks about in the OOTP26 forum, OOTP 26 Announced thread, post 94 works as he says it will. He says players will no longer get recalc'd when their recalc years are complete. At that point the game will switch to strictly development. Very interested to hear how this works when 26 is released. I have no problem with Murakami being a stud, but right now, I fear any negative development he is subject to during a season, might very well get wiped out by recalc during the offseason. Again, look at Boyett's 3 really good season. They have a that Groundhog day look to them.