Real Life Career Minor Leaguers Making MLB In OOTP

[niu354]

I'm confused why there's a debate about who should and shouldn't get a boost from a setting in the game titled "Talent Change Randomness". The random number generator isn't stopping to judge these players before deciding what to do.

[ayaghmour2]

It's interesting I like playing with historical minors, but I have the opposite opinion of you. I love seeing career minor leaguers/awful major leaguers having big careers. Pitchers it seems to happen more often because injuries tend to impact them more, and teams tend to need more pitchers then hitters in a given season, leading to a higher chance of non-major leaguers making it

I know it's been suggested, but I imagine with a very low TCR, you should end up seeing less minor leaguers make it to the majors. Would be curious to see Boyett's original ratings, as some of the minor league guys tend to have one rating that's really high, and it makes it easier for them to end up booming like Boyett did for you

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by thehef

That ^^^ is pretty much exactly what I was going to post. What is your TCR setting?

Also, while I understand you are having more career-milb pitchers than position players make the majors, a) from your original image in your first post are most of positions/pitchers like Boyett (minor scrubs who are surprisingly MLB studs), or are those numbers counting cup-of-coffee guys (those who never made the show IRL but are getting a c'o'c in your league), and b) are the sheer numbers - pitchers being 73 while positionals are 43 - possibly somewhat due to more roster churn among pitchers? I know back in the day teams weren't managing the rosters - especially pitchers - like the shuttle train they do now, but still if AI is making more pitcher roster moves than it is positional roster moves, then pretty much by definition we'd see this issue... Just wondering...

TCR is 50

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by ayaghmour2

It's interesting I like playing with historical minors, but I have the opposite opinion of you. I love seeing career minor leaguers/awful major leaguers having big careers. Pitchers it seems to happen more often because injuries tend to impact them more, and teams tend to need more pitchers then hitters in a given season, leading to a higher chance of non-major leaguers making it

I know it's been suggested, but I imagine with a very low TCR, you should end up seeing less minor leaguers make it to the majors. Would be curious to see Boyett's original ratings, as some of the minor league guys tend to have one rating that's really high, and it makes it easier for them to end up booming like Boyett did for you

Here you go. My scout checked him many more times but with basically the same results.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by niu354

I'm confused why there's a debate about who should and shouldn't get a boost from a setting in the game titled "Talent Change Randomness". The random number generator isn't stopping to judge these players before deciding what to do.

That's suggesting the range for randomness should be zero to infinity. Would it be reasonable for Boyett to randomize his development in a range from 0 stars to 3 stars?

[Tiger Fan]

Originally Posted by ayaghmour2

It's interesting I like playing with historical minors, but I have the opposite opinion of you. I love seeing career minor leaguers/awful major leaguers having big careers.

100% this for me as well. Seeing a little known minor leaguer shine in historical games also spurs me on to look up his real life career. I remember discovering Art Rooney played minor league baseball because he had a solid career in one of my sims.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Was the 71 season the first he played using OOTP25?

I can't quite remember what I did. It appears 25 starts with 1970.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Tiger Fan

100% this for me as well. Seeing a little known minor leaguer shine in historical games also spurs me on to look up his real life career. I remember discovering Art Rooney played minor league baseball because he had a solid career in one of my sims.

Dave Debusschere is still in my save in 1973.

[ayaghmour2]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Here you go. My scout checked him many more times but with basically the same results.

Thanks! Figured he was one of those 15-4-4 types or something along those lines, but he was more steady. Got two nice bumps and turned into a star

[niu354]

Originally Posted by Brad K

That's suggesting the range for randomness should be zero to infinity. Would it be reasonable for Boyett to randomize his development in a range from 0 stars to 3 stars?

Absolutely.

If Mike Piazza can go from a 0.5* potential 1st base prospect drafted in the 63rd round to a 5* perennial all-star catcher, then why not?

If "can't miss" 5* potential prospect Todd Van Poppel can become a 1.5* star bust, then why not?

Do these extreme examples happen often? Of course not. But if you "reroll" player careers, there should be variability. Talent change randomness is part of the mechanism to do that.

[Brad K]

Mike Piazza is not a player who dropped out of professional baseball after a mediocre two year career in the low minors.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Mike Piazza is not a player who dropped out of professional baseball after a mediocre two year career in the low minors.

If you held each of their draft year scouting reports in your hand, you'd have no idea who would make it and who wouldn't. The point of the engine, of which TCR is a part, is that you don't necessarily know who is going to make and who doesn't. If a butterfly flaps its wings...

[Brad K]

I'd be happier to see Dennis Hebner who had a great one year career in the low minors make it than Boyett.

[Brad K]

Hey folks, my spring training visitors arrive(d) yesterday and tomorrow. Hope people keep posting to this thread while I'm likely to post less for a couple of weeks.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Hey folks, my spring training visitors arrive(d) yesterday and tomorrow. Hope people keep posting to this thread while I'm likely to post less for a couple of weeks.

Enjoy the time - now I gotta look up this Dennis Hebner fella!

[thehef]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

Enjoy the time - now I gotta look up this Dennis Hebner fella!

Ya, that got me curious, too...

https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=hebner001den

I tried some basic searching to see if I could figure out why he only played one minor-league season. Couldn't find anything. Could be a career-ending injury. But who knows?

I'll have to keep an eye for him in my games...

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by thehef

Ya, that got me curious, too...

https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=hebner001den

I tried some basic searching to see if I could figure out why he only played one minor-league season. Couldn't find anything. Could be a career-ending injury. But who knows?

I'll have to keep an eye for him in my games...

Yeah, all sorts of articles when he signed but then by mid-1973, he was back as a cemetery worker (the pre-baseball family business). In 1980 made the papers again when he fell through the ice on a pond and was treated for exposure, married in 1985, and is today still living in Walpole Mass as far as I can tell - just a few towns over from where I grew up.

Brad had a longtime Pirates sim so maybe he remembers when the Pirates seemingly collected Hebners! Good memory and good player. Not in Piazza or Boyett's class, but still good.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

If you held each of their draft year scouting reports in your hand, you'd have no idea who would make it and who wouldn't. The point of the engine, of which TCR is a part, is that you don't necessarily know who is going to make and who doesn't. If a butterfly flaps its wings...

I still wonder in the case of Boyett if importing the game from 23 to 24 to 25 had anything to do with his overall improvement? I wonder if Brad was using higher adjust/weaken settings, instead of the defaults, if Boyett would be so good? Plus, I still say it looks like he's in one of those runs where he's simply repeating the same season. It may take an injury to snatch his butt out of Kris Davis mode. I think one of the main reasons I prefer historical over fictional is, the reality of recalc ensures players careers are full of authentic peaks and valleys from year to year. When I look at the stat pages of fictional players, too many of them lack the highs, lows, back to high, down to the middle etc. that you see recalc players endure. It's also why I simply can't stomach 5 year recalc. Smoothing out all the rough patches feels so artificial to me.

I just finished 1957 with historical minors turned on last night. First time I've tried a setup with both coaching and scouting turned off. So far in my league, I've seen very few career minor league players on big league clubs. I'm using 100TCR. Storylines are off.

[David Watts]

I do have a question for those that say they love seeing career minor leaguers become stars. Would you be as open to say a Tom Veryzer getting a huge power bump and going on to hit 600 home runs? Of course, that would never happen because the reality of recalc would pull the pretty haired Veryzer back to reality very quickly.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

Yeah, all sorts of articles when he signed but then by mid-1973, he was back as a cemetery worker (the pre-baseball family business). In 1980 made the papers again when he fell through the ice on a pond and was treated for exposure, married in 1985, and is today still living in Walpole Mass as far as I can tell - just a few towns over from where I grew up.

Brad had a longtime Pirates sim so maybe he remembers when the Pirates seemingly collected Hebners! Good memory and good player. Not in Piazza or Boyett's class, but still good.

Thanks for the Hebner articles.