Creating Players and Teams Pre-1871?

[JoeyS10]

Hi!

For those of you that have made leagues before 1871, how did you successful create players that played before 1871 thereby not having a baseball reference stat page? How did you figure out their ratings?

For example: Guys like Doc Adams, Frank Pidgeon and Jim Creighton. What's the best way to create them? I understand because this was pre-1871 it's not going to be completely realistic but how did you create them to make it as realistic as possible? Also with teams like the New York Knickerbockers and New York Gothams?

Hope this makes sense!

Thank you!

[JoeyS10]

Is there really nobody who can help this?

I know some of you have created pre 1871 teams...

How did you do this using guys from those teams who don't have baseball reference stats to use for their ratings? How did you make players like Doc Adams, Jim Creighton, etc? Did you just randomly create them or how did you figure out their ratings?

Please Help!

Thanks!

[tm1681]

The only advice I can really give you is to just read as much as you can and go to work.

Wikipedia, protoball.org, 19cbaseball.com, and the SABR 19th Century Research Committee are sources I've used. There was a fifth that was hosted by Major League Baseball but that website has since been taken down, unfortunately.

Another thing to understand is that you're not going to be able to perfectly recreate pre-1871 baseball in OOTP. Games then only involved one pitcher per team no matter the score, and that's just not a thing that will happen in OOTP. I experimented with limiting teams to zero or reliever in the "Stats & AI" settings, but what would happen in high-scoring games was that teams would start throwing in position players as relief pitchers. From what I can gather, there seems to be a hard minimum of four pitchers per team per game in high-scoring contests.

Another thing is that the game is built to sim baseball from a more modern environment, so even if you have the settings down to what you think are correct for the time, you'll likely end up with runs per game figures lower than what they were in real life.

Long story short, have fun with it and don't try to make it perfect.

[JoeyS10]

Originally Posted by tm1681

The only advice I can really give you is to just read as much as you can and go to work.

Wikipedia, protoball.org, 19cbaseball.com, and the SABR 19th Century Research Committee are sources I've used. There was a fifth that was hosted by Major League Baseball but that website has since been taken down, unfortunately.

Another thing to understand is that you're not going to be able to perfectly recreate pre-1871 baseball in OOTP. Games then only involved one pitcher per team no matter the score, and that's just not a thing that will happen in OOTP. I experimented with limiting teams to zero or reliever in the "Stats & AI" settings, but what would happen in high-scoring games was that teams would start throwing in position players as relief pitchers. From what I can gather, there seems to be a hard minimum of four pitchers per team per game in high-scoring contests.

Another thing is that the game is built to sim baseball from a more modern environment, so even if you have the settings down to what you think are correct for the time, you'll likely end up with runs per game figures lower than what they were in real life.

Long story short, have fun with it and don't try to make it perfect.

Still doesn't answer my question...

I am asking about for those people who have created pre 1871 teams and players how did best create the players from the era when you don't have their baseball references stats used...

For example: Jackie Robinson. If you want to put Jackie Robinson on any team, because he has a baseball reference page you can literally put any of the season he played and those ratings will already be there. However, for any player before 1871 that didn't play in 1871 or later there is no formula. So for those who have created before 1871 players how did they do it? How did they choose what Doc Adams contact or power rating is? How did you choose Jim Creighton's fastball speed, etc.?

Does that make sense?