1933 No DiMaggio?

[WhiskyTango]

Am playing a historical sim and players like Johnny Mize, Joe and Vince DiMaggio are appearing in my scout's recently scouted list but they are not on any rosters nor appearing in draft pools nor as free agents. Any way to correct this? I don't know who is in this state until he's scouted. Will they eventually get picked up by the game and put into a draft pool for example?

[twins_34]

Originally Posted by WhiskyTango

Am playing a historical sim and players like Johnny Mize, Joe and Vince DiMaggio are appearing in my scout's recently scouted list but they are not on any rosters nor appearing in draft pools nor as free agents. Any way to correct this? I don't know who is in this state until he's scouted. Will they eventually get picked up by the game and put into a draft pool for example?

Well, there are many ways historical game can be created and played. Can you give us more info on your league? Do you have minors on? Are you playing in default, replay, or career mode? Cause all of this is very important info on how players come into the leagues and the different settings that could cause players to enter the leagues differently.

[DCG12]

Mize and Joe DiMaggio didn.t make their MLB debut until 1936. Vince DiMaggio arrived in 1937 so they wouldn't show up until then unless you are using minor leagues. I can't help with how minors work as I play historical with reserve rosters.

[WhiskyTango]

Thanks!

Yes, these players are debuting later and went to straight to MLB without minor league play. Am playing with non-official minor league and enter players via amateur draft. So high schoolers and college aged get drafted and typically go to the minors system. I assumed if the scout was seeing them they must be coming soon available. DiMaggio has been showing up for a few seasons now.

[twins_34]

Originally Posted by WhiskyTango

Thanks!

Yes, these players are debuting later and went to straight to MLB without minor league play. Am playing with non-official minor league and enter players via amateur draft. So high schoolers and college aged get drafted and typically go to the minors system. I assumed if the scout was seeing them they must be coming soon available. DiMaggio has been showing up for a few seasons now.

It is because you are playing with fictional minor leagues. You will have no one in the the draft that didn't make the majors and players will only be in the draft when they actually joined the majors. So they might be 23, 25, 30 years old over joining when they were rookies. I am not sure how you are seeing anyone from high school in your drafts as that is not how historical drafts work.

If you want these players to come into the league when they were rookies, you MUST have historical minor leagues enabled otherwise they debut when they did in the majors.

[WhiskyTango]

Now, some of these players are showing up as MiLB FAs, and as unsignable (at least for me).

[twins_34]

Originally Posted by WhiskyTango

Now, some of these players are showing up as MiLB FAs, and as unsignable (at least for me).

You must have messed with settings because what is going on in your league should not be happening.

[WhiskyTango]

Now... after running a scout task on each one they are available to sign.


Re settings -- it is now 1933, and I turned off the amateur draft for 1930 & 1931. Think that would do it?

[WhiskyTango]

Anyway, if there is no way to fix this my house rule is to set my AGM to make FA signings. He usually makes lousy deals anyway so if he signs DiMaggio then fair play. If I sign DiMaggio the game's ruined.

[WhiskyTango]

Johnny Mize is one of the players effected. I discovered he was actually signed by a team as a FA end of last season, quickly name #2 then #1 league prospect (as we may well imagine) then two weeks later was released (Nov 1) and has remained a FA into August.

To counter this I've removed all age and roster size restrictions from minor leagues, and this dropping of top prospects still goes on so again, we reach yet another game-breaking bug. Think OOTP11 was my first purchase.

[WhiskyTango]

Actually, I was off one season re Mize. He was signed and released in 1931. It is now August 1933. So Johnny Mize goes over 1.5 seasons without being signed by MLB! And since he was signed that means the other players (DiMaggio etc) are also signable but are still just floating. Mize debuted in 1936 IRL so the debut date is not an issue since he was signed once.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by WhiskyTango

Actually, I was off one season re Mize. He was signed and released in 1931. It is now August 1933. So Johnny Mize goes over 1.5 seasons without being signed by MLB! And since he was signed that means the other players (DiMaggio etc) are also signable but are still just floating. Mize debuted in 1936 IRL so the debut date is not an issue since he was signed once.

I know you said you're using non official minor leagues. In order to be getting Mize, and the DiMaggio brothers at a earlier age than their debut years, you have to have had historical minors on at some point when you created your league. Did you go through and delete the historical minor league teams/leagues and replace them with fictional ones after you created your league?

By chance do you have miss seasons according to history turned on? Real lineup/transactions turned on? Just trying to figure out why the teams in your league aren't signing them. Are you using recalc?

[WhiskyTango]

Originally Posted by David Watts

I know you said you're using non official minor leagues. In order to be getting Mize, and the DiMaggio brothers at a earlier age than their debut years, you have to have had historical minors on at some point when you created your league. Did you go through and delete the historical minor league teams/leagues and replace them with fictional ones after you created your league?

By chance do you have miss seasons according to history turned on? Real lineup/transactions turned on? Just trying to figure out why the teams in your league aren't signing them. Are you using recalc?

No to all your questions. Am in 17th season and have had fictional minors all along.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by WhiskyTango

No to all your questions. Am in 17th season and have had fictional minors all along.

How are you getting Mize and the DiMaggio brothers in your league prior to their MLB debut years using fictional minors? Is there a process you're using to do this?

[WhiskyTango]

Amateur draft. I also tried running a FA draft but they didn't enter that either. As said, I just recently discovered at least one of them (Mize) is was signable two seasons ago suggesting they are all signable. This is a ratings-based AI setup - 90-5-3-2 and obviously Mize, DiMaggios etc are highly rated.

[Matt Arnold]

We made some fixes in build 45 where if players were picked by teams will over-full rosters some players could get lost in the system. It's possible this is what happened to them. Were you on the latest version when they were drafted?

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by WhiskyTango

Amateur draft. I also tried running a FA draft but they didn't enter that either. As said, I just recently discovered at least one of them (Mize) is was signable two seasons ago suggesting they are all signable. This is a ratings-based AI setup - 90-5-3-2 and obviously Mize, DiMaggios etc are highly rated.

I wish I could help, but I simply can't figure out how you're getting Mize and the 2 DiMaggio's in your amateur drafts at such a young age in the first place. Are these the only 3 players that have appeared prior to their actual debut year? Based on you saying you're using fictional minors, Mize and Joe DiMaggio should not appear in your league until the 1935 amateur draft. Vince DiMaggio should not appear till the 1936 amateur draft. Yet you have them showing up in your game well prior to their actual MLB debuts.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

We made some fixes in build 45 where if players were picked by teams will over-full rosters some players could get lost in the system. It's possible this is what happened to them. Were you on the latest version when they were drafted?

Matt, he says he's using fictional minors. Can you explain how he could have the 2 DiMaggio's and Johnny Mize in his amateur drafts at such a young age if he doesn't have the option to maintain historical minors turned on? Is this something new for 26? Thinking about it some more, I do remember Tigerfan detailing how one could get the game to import the historical minor league players, without having it maintain the actual historical minor leagues. Maybe that's what Whisky is doing, but it sure seems like the problem he's seeing would be effecting way more that just Mize and the 2 DiMaggio's if that were the case. That being said, there could quickly become too many excess players with no place to play if all the historical minor leaguers are coming in without enough teams to play for.

[WhiskyTango]

For clarity, am still on 25. Attached are histories for players discussed. I've pinpointed these because the names stand out. Another interesting thing: Joe was signed by my AGM. I seemed to recall seeing him and because I largely ignore what my AGM does I lost track. Then I didn't see him and this is why. OOTP has serious issues with AI managing rosters.

[WhiskyTango]

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