Sports Betting - Page 2

Déjà Bru · 04-20-2025, 11:21 AM

I would imagine that a good district attorney could make a case for fraud. Think of it this way: A player signs a contract to play a sport. Implied, if not specifically termed (the technical flaw in this, perhaps?) is that he will do his best to stay healthy and play at a level that will help the team win.

Then he goes out and tanks or purposely lurks on the sidelines for the purpose of ill-gotten gains. Sound like fraud? It does to me.

So if the player is accused of fraud, then I would say the person(s) who finance it are complicit and therefore also subject to law enforcement. For, that is something you are leaving out of your argument, Ragnar. "If a player tells me he is going to go easy tonight," he would not be doing it free of charge. You would be paying him for that information.

Ragnar · 04-22-2025, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

The product professional sports sells is true competition. Anything less than that is equal to McD's not putting sesame seeds on their Big Mac buns. It is false advertisement. And false advertising is a crime. That is why WWE operates under different rules than the NFL, MLB etc. Cause WWE is selling entertainment, not competition.

From what I've heard from every source, and especially sports talk radio, they do not operate under different rules. It's all sports entertainment. As far as I know, it is not illegal for the NFL to do what wrestling does if they wanted to.

Cobra Mgr · 04-22-2025, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragnar

From what I've heard from every source, and especially sports talk radio, they do not operate under different rules. It's all sports entertainment. As far as I know, it is not illegal for the NFL to do what wrestling does if they wanted to.

I know for a fact the WWE has different rules cause that was the impetus for McMahon to admit it was scripted. So he wouldn't be under the same vregulatlions and tax laws.

dsvitak · 04-22-2025, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragnar

If a player tells me he is going to go easy tonight, that's a crime? I do not believe gambling sites should be given any protection.

Tell it to the judge...

Ragnar · 04-23-2025, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I know for a fact the WWE has different rules cause that was the impetus for McMahon to admit it was scripted. So he wouldn't be under the same vregulatlions and tax laws.

Wrestling admits it. But the NFL is listed as sports entertainment. There is no law preventing them from altering results. Supposedly they do not do it. But they could if they wanted to.

Cobra Mgr · 04-28-2025, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

What stands out to me is Draft Kings wouldn't find anything suspicious unless the bets win. If it loses they just take your $. That is why gambling is so dumb. They aren't setting up winners. They are setting up addicts.

Casinos refuse to pay over $800,000 in winning bets.

Déjà Bru · 04-28-2025, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Casinos refuse to pay over $800,000 in winning bets.

This guy hasn't a leg to stand on. He violated written casino rules, period.

Not that I feel any sympathy for either party. My son in NYC is struggling to pay his bills while this fellow, literally living in his parents' basement perhaps, has the thousands of dollars needed to game the system, betting on sports.

And casinos are a cancer upon our society, siphoning money for profit from all who succumb to the lure of gambling, whether they can afford it or not. I was gratified when this happened in my neck of the woods: Las Vegas Sands opts out of Nassau Coliseum casino bid on Long Island.

Cobra Mgr · 04-28-2025, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

This guy hasn't a leg to stand on. He violated written casino rules, period.

Not that I feel any sympathy for either party. My son in NYC is struggling to pay his bills while this fellow, literally living in his parents' basement perhaps, has the thousands of dollars needed to game the system, betting on sports.

And casinos are a cancer upon our society, siphoning money for profit from all who succumb to the lure of gambling, whether they can afford it or not. I was gratified when this happened in my neck of the woods: Las Vegas Sands opts out of Nassau Coliseum casino bid on Long Island.

My position is, would they refund his $ if he lost the bet because he broke the rules?

Déjà Bru · 04-28-2025, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

My position is, would they refund his $ if he lost the bet because he broke the rules?

Hmmm. Good question. My answer would be "Yes, refund him the money." They should anyway, even though he won in this case. But of course, he should not receive the winnings, either, and a lifetime ban from gambling at these casinos would be in order.

Amazin69 · 08-20-2025, 03:00 PM

It wasn't fun…but it was literally an entire Taylor Swift lifetime ago, so I'm (mostly) over it.

(Have I told the story of LA Rams at Minnesota, Week 9, 1989, yet? That was a special kind of fun, lol.)

Amazin69 · 09-03-2025, 10:48 AM

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These days, people chase the same rush online with [online casino plug redacted], but back then it was all face-to-face cash on the line

Excuse me, but how did this online advertisement sneak into a quote of my post from the previous page when it was not in my OP? I suspect the new "user" who quoted my post, with his post count of "2", was looking for ways to get around a board ban on such spam.

Mods, please take appropriate measures. Thanks in advance.

Déjà Bru · 09-03-2025, 10:59 AM

Wow, that is clever. I was looking at his post at the time, and I tried to figure if he was a troll. But I looked only at HIS post, not the quoted part. He buried his stupid advertisement in there.

Moderators: I recommend that you lock this thread and any others on the topics of "Betting" and "Gambling" that have run their course of discussion by the regulars here. The reason is, trolls like this moron go searching for them, figuring that these topics go well with their advertisements.

P.S. - I just reported it.

Déjà Bru · 09-03-2025, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Wow, that is clever. I was looking at his post at the time, and I tried to figure if he was a troll. But I looked only at HIS post, not the quoted part. He buried his stupid advertisement in there.

Oh, I know what he did. The original post did not have the advertisement in the quoted part. He came back five days later and inserted it. Look at the date of the post and of the edit.

dsvitak · 09-03-2025, 11:13 AM

Zagarath needs an immediate ban.

Inserting ANYTHING into a quoted post is bad enough...but putting in a sketchy online site should be an auto-ban.

TC Dale · 09-03-2025, 11:23 AM

spammer removed. Thanks for those that let us know thru posts here and by reporting those posted affected.

Déjà Bru · 09-03-2025, 11:53 AM

I tell you, I am picking up on the tricks of the trade. The next time I have suspicions of a new user digging up an old thread and inserting non sequiturs or bland follow-up comments, I am going to bookmark the post and come back to it later.

I often wonder why these clowns don't use their brains to engage in honest work. The answer that I always arrive at is the final word: "Work". Too much effort required to earn an honest living.

Amazin69 · 09-03-2025, 12:13 PM

Good job spotting that edit, Bru! And thanks for the quick action in removing both spam and spammer, TC Dale.

[Scooby-Doo villain voice] "And I would have gotten away with it if Amazin69 wasn't such a narcissist who likes to reread his old posts! Meddling 'kid'!" [/S-D vv]

dsvitak · 09-03-2025, 01:33 PM

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Good job spotting that edit, Bru! And thanks for the quick action in removing both spam and spammer, TC Dale.

[Scooby-Doo villain voice] "And I would have gotten away with it if Amazin69 wasn't such a narcissist who likes to reread his old posts! Meddling 'kid'!" [/S-D vv]

For MANY years, my best friend is a New Yorker, with the loudest, most obnoxious voice you've ever heard. I loved the guy. My wife hated him...heh heh heh.

New Yorkers are a special kind of special...in a GOOD way.

04-20-2025, 11:21 AM	#21
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 11,434	I would imagine that a good district attorney could make a case for fraud. Think of it this way: A player signs a contract to play a sport. Implied, if not specifically termed (the technical flaw in this, perhaps?) is that he will do his best to stay healthy and play at a level that will help the team win. Then he goes out and tanks or purposely lurks on the sidelines for the purpose of ill-gotten gains. Sound like fraud? It does to me. So if the player is accused of fraud, then I would say the person(s) who finance it are complicit and therefore also subject to law enforcement. For, that is something you are leaving out of your argument, Ragnar. "If a player tells me he is going to go easy tonight," he would not be doing it free of charge. You would be paying him for that information. __________________ - Bru

09-03-2025, 10:59 AM	#32
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 11,434	Wow, that is clever. I was looking at his post at the time, and I tried to figure if he was a troll. But I looked only at HIS post, not the quoted part. He buried his stupid advertisement in there. Moderators: I recommend that you lock this thread and any others on the topics of "Betting" and "Gambling" that have run their course of discussion by the regulars here. The reason is, trolls like this moron go searching for them, figuring that these topics go well with their advertisements. P.S. - I just reported it. __________________ - Bru Last edited by Déjà Bru; 09-03-2025 at 11:08 AM.

09-03-2025, 11:23 AM	#35
TC Dale Global Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,938	spammer removed. Thanks for those that let us know thru posts here and by reporting those posted affected. __________________ ----------------------------------

09-03-2025, 11:53 AM	#36
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 11,434	I tell you, I am picking up on the tricks of the trade. The next time I have suspicions of a new user digging up an old thread and inserting non sequiturs or bland follow-up comments, I am going to bookmark the post and come back to it later. I often wonder why these clowns don't use their brains to engage in honest work. The answer that I always arrive at is the final word: "Work". Too much effort required to earn an honest living. __________________ - Bru

08-20-2025, 03:00 PM	#30
Amazin69 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Palmetto Pride! Posts: 3,853 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	It wasn't fun…but it was literally an entire Taylor Swift lifetime ago, so I'm (mostly) over it. (Have I told the story of LA Rams at Minnesota, Week 9, 1989, yet? That was a special kind of fun, lol.)

09-03-2025, 11:13 AM	#34
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,304	Zagarath needs an immediate ban. Inserting ANYTHING into a quoted post is bad enough...but putting in a sketchy online site should be an auto-ban.

09-03-2025, 12:13 PM	#37
Amazin69 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Palmetto Pride! Posts: 3,853 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Good job spotting that edit, Bru! And thanks for the quick action in removing both spam and spammer, TC Dale. [Scooby-Doo villain voice] "And I would have gotten away with it if Amazin69 wasn't such a narcissist who likes to reread his old posts! Meddling 'kid'!" [/S-D vv]