Random Debut/Negro League Players

David Watts · 05-25-2025, 08:57 PM

Just got 26(yeah, I caved). I see when creating a random debut league, we now have the option to include Negro League players. Are these the 200+ Negro League players redone by the folks that made the InteGreated Mod, or are these all the Negro League players from the Minor League db?

LansdowneSt · 05-25-2025, 09:46 PM

They use the mod stats. Think of those stats as existing in an alternative csv file (like neutralized stats do) and the game makes the players based on that set of stats (the 212 player MLEs from the mod).

I think it's an imperfect approach (the mod adds the MLE stats directly to the AL/NL csv files and requires no programming) but for most the OOTP26 way will get the job done.

David Watts · 05-27-2025, 09:18 AM

Noticing that none of the Negro League players have their real stats displayed for batting or pitching when one goes to their real stats menu. Only real fielding is present. Is this the way it's supposed be?

LansdowneSt · 05-27-2025, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

Noticing that none of the Negro League players have their real stats displayed for batting or pitching when one goes to their real stats menu. Only real fielding is present. Is this the way it's supposed be?

Yes. In the mod, the MLE stats are literally in the MLB csv files so you see them. In the OOTP approach the csv is off to the side so they are not visible the user.

David Watts · 05-27-2025, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

Yes. In the mod, the MLE stats are literally in the MLB csv files so you see them. In the OOTP approach the csv is off to the side so they are not visible the user.

Thank you. Just wanted to make sure I didn't have something messed up with my install.

italyprof · 05-27-2025, 06:17 PM

My experience so dar is that they perform pretty close to the stats ranges of their official Negro League statistics as found on baseball-reference.com

David Watts · 05-27-2025, 08:07 PM

Is Don Newcombe part of the 200 Negro League players? Reason I'm asking is, he is a two way player in my current league. Pitcher and 1B.

LansdowneSt · 05-27-2025, 08:19 PM

1944 to 1947 have NeL inputs for him. Hard to tell if that is an MLE issue as Catfish Hunter comes in the same way in 1971. It's the default when it can't find fielding data. I'm not a fan of the implementation of the mod once it was handed off to them. If it were done the way Garlon and I did it, it'd be easier to diagnose the issue. But I keep working on players to add...

David Watts · 05-27-2025, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

1944 to 1947 have NeL inputs for him. Hard to tell if that is an MLE issue as Catfish Hunter comes in the same way in 1971. It's the default when it can't find fielding data. I'm not a fan of the implementation of the mod once it was handed off to them. If it were done the way Garlon and I did it, it'd be easier to diagnose the issue. But I keep working on players to add...

Over Newcombe's first 100 at bats, he's hitting .380.

LansdowneSt · 05-27-2025, 10:56 PM

I have him 1944, 5 for 21 or .238
1945, 10 for 39 or .256
1946, 14 for 53 or .264
1947, 14 for 56 or .250
1948, 15 for 67 or .223

He had a great year at the bat in 1955 and career-wise was pretty good but the MLE AVGs are not .380. Even if I had, the A/Ws would have knocked him back.

Mysteries like this are why I like no additional programming between the engine and the stats.

David Watts · 05-28-2025, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

I have him 1944, 5 for 21 or .238
1945, 10 for 39 or .256
1946, 14 for 53 or .264
1947, 14 for 56 or .250
1948, 15 for 67 or .223

He had a great year at the bat in 1955 and career-wise was pretty good but the MLE AVGs are not .380. Even if I had, the A/Ws would have knocked him back.

Mysteries like this are why I like no additional programming between the engine and the stats.

It's early, so I don't expect him to stay so hot. Then again, who knows. I love stuff like this He is actually struggling on the mound. High ERA. He's 27 years old in this league.

Maybe the best name ever, Spottswood Poles is playing in my league. One of the things I love about this game is, googling the players I've never heard of and learning about their careers.

David Watts · 06-04-2025, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

I have him 1944, 5 for 21 or .238
1945, 10 for 39 or .256
1946, 14 for 53 or .264
1947, 14 for 56 or .250
1948, 15 for 67 or .223

He had a great year at the bat in 1955 and career-wise was pretty good but the MLE AVGs are not .380. Even if I had, the A/Ws would have knocked him back.

Mysteries like this are why I like no additional programming between the engine and the stats.

Newcombe won the 1946 batting title and is right in the thick of things once again in 1947. He is currently 3rd in the race, but a week ago, he was top dog, that's how close the race is at the moment. He's having a better year on the mound in 47, but still nothing special. He's allowing 4+ runs a game. Pretty cool.

Oscar Charleston hit 40+ bombs in 1946 to run away with the home run title. No one else in the league reached 30.

05-25-2025, 08:57 PM	#1
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,823 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Random Debut/Negro League Players Just got 26(yeah, I caved). I see when creating a random debut league, we now have the option to include Negro League players. Are these the 200+ Negro League players redone by the folks that made the InteGreated Mod, or are these all the Negro League players from the Minor League db?

05-25-2025, 09:46 PM	#2
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 7,379	They use the mod stats. Think of those stats as existing in an alternative csv file (like neutralized stats do) and the game makes the players based on that set of stats (the 212 player MLEs from the mod). I think it's an imperfect approach (the mod adds the MLE stats directly to the AL/NL csv files and requires no programming) but for most the OOTP26 way will get the job done. __________________ Complete Universe Facegen Pack 2.0 (mine included) https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi...k_2.0.zip/file Just my Facegen Pack: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi..._Pack.zip/file

05-27-2025, 08:19 PM	#8
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 7,379	1944 to 1947 have NeL inputs for him. Hard to tell if that is an MLE issue as Catfish Hunter comes in the same way in 1971. It's the default when it can't find fielding data. I'm not a fan of the implementation of the mod once it was handed off to them. If it were done the way Garlon and I did it, it'd be easier to diagnose the issue. But I keep working on players to add... __________________ Complete Universe Facegen Pack 2.0 (mine included) https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi...k_2.0.zip/file Just my Facegen Pack: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi..._Pack.zip/file

05-27-2025, 10:56 PM	#10
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 7,379	I have him 1944, 5 for 21 or .238 1945, 10 for 39 or .256 1946, 14 for 53 or .264 1947, 14 for 56 or .250 1948, 15 for 67 or .223 He had a great year at the bat in 1955 and career-wise was pretty good but the MLE AVGs are not .380. Even if I had, the A/Ws would have knocked him back. Mysteries like this are why I like no additional programming between the engine and the stats. __________________ Complete Universe Facegen Pack 2.0 (mine included) https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi...k_2.0.zip/file Just my Facegen Pack: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi..._Pack.zip/file

05-27-2025, 09:18 AM	#3
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,823 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Noticing that none of the Negro League players have their real stats displayed for batting or pitching when one goes to their real stats menu. Only real fielding is present. Is this the way it's supposed be?

05-27-2025, 06:17 PM	#6
italyprof All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,024	My experience so dar is that they perform pretty close to the stats ranges of their official Negro League statistics as found on baseball-reference.com

05-27-2025, 08:07 PM	#7
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,823 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Is Don Newcombe part of the 200 Negro League players? Reason I'm asking is, he is a two way player in my current league. Pitcher and 1B.