Sports Betting - Page 2

Déjà Bru · 04-20-2025, 11:21 AM

I would imagine that a good district attorney could make a case for fraud. Think of it this way: A player signs a contract to play a sport. Implied, if not specifically termed (the technical flaw in this, perhaps?) is that he will do his best to stay healthy and play at a level that will help the team win.

Then he goes out and tanks or purposely lurks on the sidelines for the purpose of ill-gotten gains. Sound like fraud? It does to me.

So if the player is accused of fraud, then I would say the person(s) who finance it are complicit and therefore also subject to law enforcement. For, that is something you are leaving out of your argument, Ragnar. "If a player tells me he is going to go easy tonight," he would not be doing it free of charge. You would be paying him for that information.

Ragnar · 04-22-2025, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

The product professional sports sells is true competition. Anything less than that is equal to McD's not putting sesame seeds on their Big Mac buns. It is false advertisement. And false advertising is a crime. That is why WWE operates under different rules than the NFL, MLB etc. Cause WWE is selling entertainment, not competition.

From what I've heard from every source, and especially sports talk radio, they do not operate under different rules. It's all sports entertainment. As far as I know, it is not illegal for the NFL to do what wrestling does if they wanted to.

Cobra Mgr · 04-22-2025, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragnar

From what I've heard from every source, and especially sports talk radio, they do not operate under different rules. It's all sports entertainment. As far as I know, it is not illegal for the NFL to do what wrestling does if they wanted to.

I know for a fact the WWE has different rules cause that was the impetus for McMahon to admit it was scripted. So he wouldn't be under the same vregulatlions and tax laws.

dsvitak · 04-22-2025, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragnar

If a player tells me he is going to go easy tonight, that's a crime? I do not believe gambling sites should be given any protection.

Tell it to the judge...

Ragnar · 04-23-2025, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I know for a fact the WWE has different rules cause that was the impetus for McMahon to admit it was scripted. So he wouldn't be under the same vregulatlions and tax laws.

Wrestling admits it. But the NFL is listed as sports entertainment. There is no law preventing them from altering results. Supposedly they do not do it. But they could if they wanted to.

Cobra Mgr · 04-28-2025, 12:45 AM

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What stands out to me is Draft Kings wouldn't find anything suspicious unless the bets win. If it loses they just take your $. That is why gambling is so dumb. They aren't setting up winners. They are setting up addicts.

Casinos refuse to pay over $800,000 in winning bets.

Déjà Bru · 04-28-2025, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Casinos refuse to pay over $800,000 in winning bets.

This guy hasn't a leg to stand on. He violated written casino rules, period.

Not that I feel any sympathy for either party. My son in NYC is struggling to pay his bills while this fellow, literally living in his parents' basement perhaps, has the thousands of dollars needed to game the system, betting on sports.

And casinos are a cancer upon our society, siphoning money for profit from all who succumb to the lure of gambling, whether they can afford it or not. I was gratified when this happened in my neck of the woods: Las Vegas Sands opts out of Nassau Coliseum casino bid on Long Island.

Cobra Mgr · 04-28-2025, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

This guy hasn't a leg to stand on. He violated written casino rules, period.

Not that I feel any sympathy for either party. My son in NYC is struggling to pay his bills while this fellow, literally living in his parents' basement perhaps, has the thousands of dollars needed to game the system, betting on sports.

And casinos are a cancer upon our society, siphoning money for profit from all who succumb to the lure of gambling, whether they can afford it or not. I was gratified when this happened in my neck of the woods: Las Vegas Sands opts out of Nassau Coliseum casino bid on Long Island.

My position is, would they refund his $ if he lost the bet because he broke the rules?

Déjà Bru · 04-28-2025, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

My position is, would they refund his $ if he lost the bet because he broke the rules?

Hmmm. Good question. My answer would be "Yes, refund him the money." They should anyway, even though he won in this case. But of course, he should not receive the winnings, either, and a lifetime ban from gambling at these casinos would be in order.

Zagarath · Today, 08:50 AM

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Thank Lorde I never fell completely down the pit, but even where I was, it was not fun. Nothing like calling your grandmother to come and get you while your car is in the shop whilst trying to explain why exactly you had driven across half of New Jersey in the first place, since the truth ("It's the nearest ATM on the system and I need to pay my bookie") was right out.

The good news is that, after losing over $10,000 (in 1989 $$) to that college bookie, I was able to turn things around and win back over 60% of the losses.

The bad news was that the bookie decided to drop out of school and vanish and I never actually saw a cent of those winnings.

The worse news was that the lesson I learned was not "stop gambling, you fool" but "cheating amateurs! I need to move to Las Vegas, because Caesar's Palace isn't going vanish overnight!" And so further adventures lay in store ahead…

(It should be noted that none of the horror stories involve "bad beats" where I had the right team bet only for things to go horribly wrong at the end of the game. [Not even that freaking UMass-Penn State game…] Those I wear as badges of honor, not to mention how they give me the excuse to talk about all the times I was brilliant. No, the terrible thing about having the compulsion is how it kills the joy of both winning and life in general. Sigh.)

Wow, that’s quite a ride. It’s wild how the compulsion can twist wins into something hollow, like you said—killing the joy rather than adding to it. The way you frame the story, though, it really captures both the absurd humor of those moments and the heavier truth underneath. Sounds like you’ve been through the wringer, but at least you’ve got the clarity now to look back and see it for what it was.

Amazin69 · Today, 03:00 PM

It wasn't fun…but it was literally an entire Taylor Swift lifetime ago, so I'm (mostly) over it.

(Have I told the story of LA Rams at Minnesota, Week 9, 1989, yet? That was a special kind of fun, lol.)

04-20-2025, 11:21 AM	#21
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 11,390	I would imagine that a good district attorney could make a case for fraud. Think of it this way: A player signs a contract to play a sport. Implied, if not specifically termed (the technical flaw in this, perhaps?) is that he will do his best to stay healthy and play at a level that will help the team win. Then he goes out and tanks or purposely lurks on the sidelines for the purpose of ill-gotten gains. Sound like fraud? It does to me. So if the player is accused of fraud, then I would say the person(s) who finance it are complicit and therefore also subject to law enforcement. For, that is something you are leaving out of your argument, Ragnar. "If a player tells me he is going to go easy tonight," he would not be doing it free of charge. You would be paying him for that information. __________________ - Bru

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Amazin69 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Palmetto Pride! Posts: 3,811 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	It wasn't fun…but it was literally an entire Taylor Swift lifetime ago, so I'm (mostly) over it. (Have I told the story of LA Rams at Minnesota, Week 9, 1989, yet? That was a special kind of fun, lol.)