Vegas A's Stadium

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Pelican

I really like the return to Philly idea. They never should have left. Until 1950, it was the Phillies who were more likely to leave.

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Not sure about that.
The A's had more success in a couple of short spurts but they were pretty awful most of the time.

The Phillies were actually worse. In terms of on-the-field performance, the number of finishes by position:

Place  PHA  PHI
---------------
 1st    9    2
 2nd    7    4
 3rd    3    2
 4th    4    9
 5th    6    5
 6th    3    4
 7th    4   11
 8th   18   17
---------------
Total  54   54

The Athletics won the AL pennant nine times while the Phillies won the NL pennant just twice. While the Athletics finished in last place 18 times, the Phillies finished in last place almost as many times (17) and were in seventh place nearly three times more often than the Athletics.

Directly comparing the clubs, the Athletics finished with a better winning percentage than the Phillies in 35 of the 54 seasons (65%). In aggregate: the Athletics went 3,886-4,248 .478 while the Phillies went 3,536-4,623 .433 for the period.


In terms of attendance, see the attached graph. It's an annual attendance comparison of the Athletics and Phillies, 1901-1954.

The Athletics outdrew the Phillies every year from 1902-1914 and 1921-1942. It was only after 1948 that the Athletics' fortunes declined, and the descent was quick. In total, over the 54 seasons the two clubs shared Philadelphia, the Athletics drew 25,969,393 fans while the Phillies drew 20,373,798 patrons. That's 27.5% more.

[Amazin69]

Yeah, even the Ferris Fain-Pete Suder-Eddie Joost 4th place squads of the late 40s outdrew the early years of Roberts and Ashburn. It wasn't until the Whiz Kids took the pennant in 1950 while the A's skidded to last that the attendance reversed.

(Roger Angell wrote that Ferris Fain was one of only two 1st basemen that he ever saw, pre-Keith Hernandez, who could do as Keith did and field bunts on the 3B side of the infield to get the out at third. High praise indeed.)

[Bluenoser]

The Stadium is becoming a reality.

Under-seat cooling - neat.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...-vegas-stadium

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

The Phillies were actually worse. In terms of on-the-field performance, the number of finishes by position:

Place  PHA  PHI
---------------
 1st    9    2
 2nd    7    4
 3rd    3    2
 4th    4    9
 5th    6    5
 6th    3    4
 7th    4   11
 8th   18   17
---------------
Total  54   54

The Athletics won the AL pennant nine times while the Phillies won the NL pennant just twice. While the Athletics finished in last place 18 times, the Phillies finished in last place almost as many times (17) and were in seventh place nearly three times more often than the Athletics.

Directly comparing the clubs, the Athletics finished with a better winning percentage than the Phillies in 35 of the 54 seasons (65%). In aggregate: the Athletics went 3,886-4,248 .478 while the Phillies went 3,536-4,623 .433 for the period.


In terms of attendance, see the attached graph. It's an annual attendance comparison of the Athletics and Phillies, 1901-1954.

The Athletics outdrew the Phillies every year from 1902-1914 and 1921-1942. It was only after 1948 that the Athletics' fortunes declined, and the descent was quick. In total, over the 54 seasons the two clubs shared Philadelphia, the Athletics drew 25,969,393 fans while the Phillies drew 20,373,798 patrons. That's 27.5% more.

Being a baseball fan in Philadelphia from the 1940s till the 1970s was the complete opposite of a 1950s New York baseball fan.

[Cobra Mgr]

A's have groundbreaking for MLB's smallest stadium.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

A's have groundbreaking for MLB's smallest stadium.

The "33,000-person capacity" speaks to one of the points of the essay in the "American Sports Leagues Sold Out" thread: professional sports less for the common man, less for the community, and more for rich people. Because the building will still be stadium-sized; more space will be allocated for luxury suites.

Say, I am wondering about the provenance of this thread because I see a number of forum members who are very familiar from my time on the OOTPB game threads but who do not usually frequent Talk Sports: rudel.dietrich, Le Grande Orange, AirmenSmith, Antonin, Pelican. I don't remember this thread, but it may have occurred during the time that I was away from Talk Sports. Or it could have been moved here.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

The "33,000-person capacity" speaks to one of the points of the essay in the "American Sports Leagues Sold Out" thread: professional sports less for the common man, less for the community, and more for rich people. Because the building will still be stadium-sized; more space will be allocated for luxury suites.

Say, I am wondering about the provenance of this thread because I see a number of forum members who are very familiar from my time on the OOTPB game threads but who do not usually frequent Talk Sports: rudel.dietrich, Le Grande Orange, AirmenSmith, Antonin, Pelican. I don't remember this thread, but it may have occurred during the time that I was away from Talk Sports. Or it could have been moved here.

It's always been in the Talk Sports forum. Where everyone went (or even if they are gone) IDK.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

It's always been in the Talk Sports forum. Where everyone went (or even if they are gone) IDK.

That is strange. Really, those guys do not frequent this forum. I guess they were temporarily attracted by seeing the topic in the main forum directory.

[LD84]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

OOTPB game threads but who do not usually frequent Talk Sports: rudel.dietrich

I am still here

Just under a different user name

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by LD84

I am still here

Just under a different user name

I had no idea. I know I was wondering way back who this new mod was that just appeared out of thin air.

EDIT: Wait a minute. I'm thinking of K76 or some kind of number like that,

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by LD84

I am still here

Just under a different user name

Aha! Exposed! ()

Good to see you around though.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I had no idea. I know I was wondering way back who this new mod was that just appeared out of thin air.

EDIT: Wait a minute. I'm thinking of K76 or some kind of number like that,

Yikes! That's kq76!



kq76, kindly refrain from banning Cobra Mgr. We need him!

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Yikes! That's kq76!

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kq76, kindly refrain from banning Cobra Mgr. We need him!

Hey, sorry, m'man. I remember seeing his name & then a little later saw he was a mod & I was like "Who dis dude?". But I've never been the most observant person soooooo.......I can't tell you how many women have shown me their newborn & I didn't know they were pregnant.

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I can't tell you how many women have shown me their newborn & I didn't know they were pregnant.

Still not as bad as approaching a non-pregnant woman with "So, how many weeks 'til the little one gets born?"

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Westheim

Still not as bad as approaching a non-pregnant woman with "So, how many weeks 'til the little one gets born?"

Did that once. Was doing a lab test @ a time of day when it was usually done for a pregnancy. And I told her she had to do it a certain way because of her pregnancy. The reaction & look told me I made the wrong assumption.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

The "33,000-person capacity" speaks to one of the points of the essay in the "American Sports Leagues Sold Out" thread: professional sports less for the common man, less for the community, and more for rich people. Because the building will still be stadium-sized; more space will be allocated for luxury suites.

Say, I am wondering about the provenance of this thread because I see a number of forum members who are very familiar from my time on the OOTPB game threads but who do not usually frequent Talk Sports: rudel.dietrich, Le Grande Orange, AirmenSmith, Antonin, Pelican. I don't remember this thread, but it may have occurred during the time that I was away from Talk Sports. Or it could have been moved here.

There are some Premier League stadiums with a whole lot less seats.

The key is premium seats. If you can get $1400 for a suite that seats ten, instead of a hundred nosebleed seats that sell twice a year, then why not?

[84Cubs]

Any speculation on field dimensions?