2025 Detroit Tigers: AKA Welcome Back Kotter! - Page 85

Hrycaj · 05-27-2026, 06:12 AM

Will Vest has been awful this year. 16 IP, 16 runs (14 earned), 2 HR's, 7 BB's with 17 K's. ERA+ of 54. Not that Kenley Jansen has been that much better in his 14.1 innings of work giving up 4 homers and sitting at a ERA + of 85. The offense has received a lot of heat, and deservedly so but this club has blown 7 leads after the 6th inning this year and are tied for league worst 12 blown saves overall. Let that sink in for a second. If you covert on those 12 saves the record would 33-22. However, nobody is perfect. Houston as a team has only blown 2 saves. The Guardians have only blown 4. So let's say we play is conservatively and cut the blown save number in half. It gives you a record of 27-28. While still not great, it would at least keep you in the fight. Statistically speaking Finnegan who has only given up 5 runs in 24.2 innings has been their best reliever. Yet, that is really deceiving because he has walked 19 batters and only struck out 15. So that 1.82 ERA he currently has is a mirage and unsustainable when he walks so many hitters.

I know Scott Harris tried to address the bullpen this last offseason but it just has not worked out. Bullpen's are historically volatile and unpredictable year to year because you are analyzing a bunch of small sample sizes with players mainly used in high pressure situations. It is one of the reasons why I miss the days of starters that could go THROUGH 7 innings and hold an opponent down. Hell give me those guys from the 80's like Gossage and Willie Hernandez that came in and gave you a 3 inning save. Anyway, to put this back on track, the hitting has been bad but the bullpen is what is really costing them all these games in my opinion.

CONN CHRIS · 05-27-2026, 08:58 AM

Agreed, the bullpen is a disaster. So is the offense. On average, scoring less than 4 runs per game and giving up more than 4 per game. Not good.

Westheim · 05-27-2026, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I watched another game. What is wrong with me.

There are times in a season where living six time zones away from your team is a real advantage. "I must go to work tomorrow, so I can not watch them get three hits off a guy with a 5.65 ERA."

CONN CHRIS · 05-28-2026, 06:36 AM

Mize and Janen left the game with injuries last night. Unreal

Westheim · 05-28-2026, 02:31 PM

That was a nice talk with Tom Selleck.

Nicer than the 3-spot the Angels put up in the meantime or how the Tigers are playing in general.

Westheim · 05-30-2026, 01:00 PM

Mize to the IL. I wonder who the lucky fan is gonna be that gets to take the start in an hour.

CONN CHRIS · 05-31-2026, 07:04 PM

Montero pitched great. Bulpen and offense sadly did their thing.

CONN CHRIS · 06-02-2026, 05:53 AM

Whew, this bullpen is trash, and the starting pitching is right there with it. It sure is nice to have Carpenter back in the line up.

https://youtu.be/MLCLMEYp9s0?si=gJwvmDaXvniOZ5CB

CONN CHRIS · 06-03-2026, 12:44 PM

Glayber coming back is fantastic. Verlander is on rehab in Toledo.

Slowly getting the band back together.

DamPenguin · 06-05-2026, 11:03 AM

At this point I'm hoping that we get a monster return in a Tarik trade.

CONN CHRIS · 06-10-2026, 09:32 AM

Mize, Skubal, Jansen, Verlander, are all due back over the next week (possibly). Jobe back early August.

If they stay on a rip, a deadline deal for Skubal may be more interesting.

Hrycaj · 06-10-2026, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

Mize, Skubal, Jansen, Verlander, are all due back over the next week (possibly). Jobe back early August.

If they stay on a rip, a deadline deal for Skubal may be more interesting.

IF the Tigers can keep winning, as of this writing they are 4.5 games out of the last Wild Card spot, they could be in an interesting spot of being both a buyer and a seller. You could deal Skubal but also add a bat. Even without Skubal the starting pitcher has been pretty good. It will be interesting to see if Harris gets creative here.

usa_hank · 06-14-2026, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Hrycaj

IF the Tigers can keep winning, as of this writing they are 4.5 games out of the last Wild Card spot, they could be in an interesting spot of being both a buyer and a seller. You could deal Skubal but also add a bat. Even without Skubal the starting pitcher has been pretty good. It will be interesting to see if Harris gets creative here.

I don't have much faith that the Tigers will deal Skubal. I haven't seen Scott Harris make any great trade deals. I don't think he's got a good head on his shoulders for trades. Crossing my fingers though!

05-27-2026, 06:12 AM	#1681
Hrycaj All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,779	Will Vest has been awful this year. 16 IP, 16 runs (14 earned), 2 HR's, 7 BB's with 17 K's. ERA+ of 54. Not that Kenley Jansen has been that much better in his 14.1 innings of work giving up 4 homers and sitting at a ERA + of 85. The offense has received a lot of heat, and deservedly so but this club has blown 7 leads after the 6th inning this year and are tied for league worst 12 blown saves overall. Let that sink in for a second. If you covert on those 12 saves the record would 33-22. However, nobody is perfect. Houston as a team has only blown 2 saves. The Guardians have only blown 4. So let's say we play is conservatively and cut the blown save number in half. It gives you a record of 27-28. While still not great, it would at least keep you in the fight. Statistically speaking Finnegan who has only given up 5 runs in 24.2 innings has been their best reliever. Yet, that is really deceiving because he has walked 19 batters and only struck out 15. So that 1.82 ERA he currently has is a mirage and unsustainable when he walks so many hitters. I know Scott Harris tried to address the bullpen this last offseason but it just has not worked out. Bullpen's are historically volatile and unpredictable year to year because you are analyzing a bunch of small sample sizes with players mainly used in high pressure situations. It is one of the reasons why I miss the days of starters that could go THROUGH 7 innings and hold an opponent down. Hell give me those guys from the 80's like Gossage and Willie Hernandez that came in and gave you a 3 inning save. Anyway, to put this back on track, the hitting has been bad but the bullpen is what is really costing them all these games in my opinion. __________________ Click on my signature to read about the great game of baseball in Normington. Last edited by Hrycaj; 05-27-2026 at 06:14 AM.

05-27-2026, 08:58 AM	#1682
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,121	Agreed, the bullpen is a disaster. So is the offense. On average, scoring less than 4 runs per game and giving up more than 4 per game. Not good. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

05-28-2026, 06:36 AM	#1684
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,121	Mize and Janen left the game with injuries last night. Unreal __________________ Check Out My Cards!

05-28-2026, 02:31 PM	#1685
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 14,114	That was a nice talk with Tom Selleck. Nicer than the 3-spot the Angels put up in the meantime or how the Tigers are playing in general. __________________ Portland Raccoons, 96 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 * 2071 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

05-30-2026, 01:00 PM	#1686
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 14,114	Mize to the IL. I wonder who the lucky fan is gonna be that gets to take the start in an hour. __________________ Portland Raccoons, 96 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 * 2071 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

05-31-2026, 07:04 PM	#1687
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,121	Montero pitched great. Bulpen and offense sadly did their thing. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

06-02-2026, 05:53 AM	#1688
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,121	Whew, this bullpen is trash, and the starting pitching is right there with it. It sure is nice to have Carpenter back in the line up. https://youtu.be/MLCLMEYp9s0?si=gJwvmDaXvniOZ5CB __________________ Check Out My Cards!

06-03-2026, 12:44 PM	#1689
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,121	Glayber coming back is fantastic. Verlander is on rehab in Toledo. Slowly getting the band back together. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

06-05-2026, 11:03 AM	#1690
DamPenguin All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 621	At this point I'm hoping that we get a monster return in a Tarik trade.

06-10-2026, 09:32 AM	#1691
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,121	Mize, Skubal, Jansen, Verlander, are all due back over the next week (possibly). Jobe back early August. If they stay on a rip, a deadline deal for Skubal may be more interesting. __________________ Check Out My Cards!