Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack

[tnfoto]

Originally Posted by prewinter

The first player in the back row is identified as Stecker. According to his SABR bio, this is William Stecher, who pitched in 10 games with Philadelphia in 1890 and went 0-10.

Not sure if there is a known image of him or not, as there isn't one either with his SABR bio or his Baseball-Reference page... but I see there a nice one on his Baseball Reference Bullpen page.

Still, there he is.

The image shown on Stecher's B-R Bullpen page came from the 2013 issue of The National Pastime, and was shared here that summer.

[UKBaseballfan]

Originally Posted by cinemaodyssey

I found Deasley pictured in the 1889 Harrisburg team photo. It was printed in the 8/28/1934 edition of The Harrisburg Patriot. Deasley played briefly for 2 teams in 1884 and was the brother of Pat Deasley of the Giants.

I have included in my collection this image, attached. It is supposedly of Deasley with the 1886 Port Henry team, extracted from the team photo.. There appears to be little resemblance comparing the 2 images. I can't recall the full background to this image, other than it was identified as the source for Doc Landis, bottom left. Can anybody shed any further light on this photo, and the other players within? It was downloaded in 2020, has Deasley been misidentified but still present in the image, the player to Deasley's right (top row,middle) in the team photo looks a good match to the 1889 example for Deasley.

[UKBaseballfan]

A comparison of John Deasley from the 1889 Harrisburg team photo and possibly an alternate from the 1886 Port Henry team image.

[tnfoto]

A photo currently offered by RMY Auctions ostensibly shows Cochran during his one-game stint with the Reds. It doesn't seem like a strong match compared to the low-quality comps I have available, but what I have really isn't much to go off of.

[UKBaseballfan]

Looks a reasonable match to this image of him.

[tnfoto]

Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

Looks a reasonable match to this image of him.

It is, perhaps, a reasonable match to that photo. That said, the uniforms I've seen worn in confirmed 1915 Reds images don't match the uniform shown in the RMY "Cochran" photo.

In particular, the photo in the current RMY auction shows a dark uniform, which the Reds last used in 1913. The RMY image does not show a breast logo. The dark Reds uniforms universally included a red breast logo. The Reds' dark caps also had a C logo, which the RMY image does not.

[Patsy Tebeau]

That could be a Cubs uniform from a few years earleir maybe even. Do we know for sure 1915 is the correct year?

[UKBaseballfan]

Originally Posted by Patsy Tebeau

That could be a Cubs uniform from a few years earleir maybe even. Do we know for sure 1915 is the correct year?

I would not trust the dating. The previous auction was littered with dating errors. This edition has an image of Ernie Shore dated 1912 with the Red Sox linking it to winning the World Series. 1912 was Shore's rookie season but he was playing for the Giants. He did not appear in the American League until 1914.

There is also an image of Sam Moffet labelled as John Doran. Unfortunately the site has a history of linking images to World Series winning years when the are from a different year.

[RUKen]

Originally Posted by tnfoto

A photo currently offered by RMY Auctions ostensibly shows Cochran during his one-game stint with the Reds. It doesn't seem like a strong match compared to the low-quality comps I have available, but what I have really isn't much to go off of.

The RMY image is pitcher Gene Cocreham, who played for the Boston Braves 1913-1915.

[UKBaseballfan]

Originally Posted by RUKen

The RMY image is pitcher Gene Cocreham, who played for the Boston Braves 1913-1915.

Thank you!

The current RMY auction does feature a diamond in respect of this image of Binky Jones of the 1924 Dodgers. To date the facepack image is of him from 1923 with Portland.

[cinemaodyssey]

Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

I have included in my collection this image, attached. It is supposedly of Deasley with the 1886 Port Henry team, extracted from the team photo.. There appears to be little resemblance comparing the 2 images. I can't recall the full background to this image, other than it was identified as the source for Doc Landis, bottom left. Can anybody shed any further light on this photo, and the other players within? It was downloaded in 2020, has Deasley been misidentified but still present in the image, the player to Deasley's right (top row,middle) in the team photo looks a good match to the 1889 example for Deasley.

The Port Henry photo came with no identifications except for Landis. With the obvious ID of Ed Whiting, all the rest were conjectures. As you've astutely pointed out, the actual image of Deasley does not match the player we thought was him. I agree, the comparison you've provided looks like a good match.

[Chickazoola]

The Port Henry photo comes from Ancestry.com - it was provided by a relative of Doc Landis who I was in contact with.

Agree on the Deasley ID - the guy looks very close to the other photo the Cinemaodyssey posted.


I found an 1886 hotel listing that provides first names for some of the other members of the club. Albert Latouche played for a bunch of semipro clubs around that time, so he might be in another photo. That's the only other name I'm familiar with besides Ed Whiting.

[prewinter]

Originally Posted by Chickazoola

The Port Henry photo comes from Ancestry.com - it was provided by a relative of Doc Landis who I was in contact with.

Agree on the Deasley ID - the guy looks very close to the other photo the Cinemaodyssey posted.


I found an 1886 hotel listing that provides first names for some of the other members of the club. Albert Latouche played for a bunch of semipro clubs around that time, so he might be in another photo. That's the only other name I'm familiar with besides Ed Whiting.

I'm posting this photo and some other info into the Team Photo Identification thread just so I don't clutter up this thread with minor league photos and other random notes.

[Chickazoola]

I had known this image existed for years, since John F. Schultz is a missing player and I had a note from another researcher that his image appeared in the March 30, 1891 Philadelphia Press.

As it turns out, the date was off by a week, and I had SABR friend in Philly grab this scan for me today. Image and bio actually appeared in April 5, 1891 Philadelphia Press.

John F. Schultz was a short tenured pitcher with the Phillies in 1891. He was considered a phenom, but last only a few weeks, and his last appearance was punctuated by catcher Jack Clements refusing to give him any help or direction at all.

Schultz went to Meadville and was released after a couple weeks for dissipation, thus ending his career at age 21.

[cinemaodyssey]

Originally Posted by Chickazoola

I had known this image existed for years, since John F. Schultz is a missing player and I had a note from another researcher that his image appeared in the March 30, 1891 Philadelphia Press.

As it turns out, the date was off by a week, and I had SABR friend in Philly grab this scan for me today. Image and bio actually appeared in April 5, 1891 Philadelphia Press.

John F. Schultz was a short tenured pitcher with the Phillies in 1891. He was considered a phenom, but last only a few weeks, and his last appearance was punctuated by catcher Jack Clements refusing to give him any help or direction at all.

Schultz went to Meadville and was released after a couple weeks for dissipation, thus ending his career at age 21.

Nice find! The New York Public library had this unknown Phillies player in their Spalding Collection. The paper seemed to catch him (albeit reversed) in his Phillies garb. I wonder if this is Schultz?

[prewinter]

Originally Posted by cinemaodyssey

Nice find! The New York Public library had this unknown Phillies player in their Spalding Collection. The paper seemed to catch him (albeit reversed) in his Phillies garb. I wonder if this is Schultz?

Here they are side-by-side, with the newspaper image reversed. Sure looks like the woodcut was made from the photo, except for a difference in the collar area.

[UKBaseballfan]

Originally Posted by cinemaodyssey

Nice find! The New York Public library had this unknown Phillies player in their Spalding Collection. The paper seemed to catch him (albeit reversed) in his Phillies garb. I wonder if this is Schultz?

My initial reaction when I saw the woodcut was this player looks very familiar. Now you have pinpointed why, I believe. Great research by all in combining to resolve a long-standing mystery.

[cinemaodyssey]

I found Johnny "Jack" Lavin pictured with the famous 1882 Leadville Blues semi-pro team. The team photo was printed in the 12/5/1927 edition of the San Antonio Express-News and features a number of obscure major leaguers. Lavin played most of 1882 as a competitor of Leadville, later joining them in some post-season barnstorming. He joined a bunch of his teammates in playing for the Bay City, Michigan team the following season where he transitioned from pitching to the outfield.

[Patsy Tebeau]

From 1905 Memphis team photo

[Patsy Tebeau]

Found this in a paper from the Blackfoot News, January 23, 1897