Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack

[prewinter]

There is a photo of the 1882 St. Louis University baseball team on their digital archives, which includes a very young Joe Murphy. I'm posting a link below, because I'm not sure that I can post the image itself due to copyright questions.

http://digitalcollections.slu.edu/di.../id/1496/rec/1

Murphy is in the front row, second from the left, with a smug look on his face (as opposed to Father Joseph Murphy, standing behind him).

Correction: That should be second from the right, not second from the left.

[Cusick]

Originally Posted by cinemaodyssey

I'm uncertain how SABR confirmed Weihe's woodcut portrait that is currently represented in the Facepack and on Baseball Reference. It appears to me that they are in error, as the image comes from the 1892 Joliet Giants team composite and features Left Fielder Jake Weihl.

The Weihe woodcut came from the collection of SABR member Richard Ulrich, who is deceased. I agree with you that it was an erroneous identification. Thank you, cinemaodyssey, for posting a replacement image for Weihe.

[Cusick]

Thank you, prewinter, for the link to the St. Louis University team photo containing the image of Joe Murphy. I think you meant to say he was in the front row, second from right rather than second from left. The caption and numbering system reads that way. Furthermore, the fellow second from right looks like the only image I have of Joe Murphy (see below) which comes from The Sporting News of May 24, 1886.

[prewinter]

Originally Posted by Cusick

Thank you, prewinter, for the link to the St. Louis University team photo containing the image of Joe Murphy. I think you meant to say he was in the front row, second from right rather than second from left. The caption and numbering system reads that way. Furthermore, the fellow second from right looks like the only image I have of Joe Murphy (see below) which comes from The Sporting News of May 24, 1886.

"Right. It's the other left."

Yep, should have been second from the right. And I even mentally checked myself twice to make sure I got that correct... oh well.

I found another image of him as part of a sketch of a Chicago Commercial League club in the early 1890s. It is a composite in the Inter Ocean of the Whitings on May 7, 1893, shown below. Jim Murphy (#3) is actually Joe Murphy, who had moved to Chicago and taken a position with the Tribune after a messy incident involving a death at an amateur boxing match, at which he was the referee. He wound up being charged as an accessory to murder, but wasn't convicted.

In that same sketch I think Charlie Hallstrom is #7. Thomas Barrett (#2) went on to become Sheriff of Cook County.

[prewinter]

That image of the Whitings reminds me that Charlie "The Swedish Wonder" Hallstrom is in the Oshkosh team photo of 1886, but the specific player hasn't been confirmed. There are two options in the photo, so here is a comparison of the sketch from the Whitings between the two options from the Oshkosh team photo, as well as a photo of him when he was somewhat older.

[Cusick]

Originally Posted by prewinter

That image of the Whitings reminds me that Charlie "The Swedish Wonder" Hallstrom is in the Oshkosh team photo of 1886, but the specific player hasn't been confirmed. There are two options in the photo, so here is a comparison of the sketch from the Whitings between the two options from the Oshkosh team photo, as well as a photo of him when he was somewhat older.

I would choose the left of the two sepia photos for Hallstrom. The B&W photo of him, which I agree is a valid exemplar, suggests that he has a squarish face. The lips seem to match well with the photo on the left. It appears that his left eyelid droops a little (seen on the viewer's right), and that characteristic is present in both the exemplar and the photo on the left.

[tnfoto]

Originally Posted by prewinter

...

I found another image of him as part of a sketch of a Chicago Commercial League club in the early 1890s. It is a composite in the Inter Ocean of the Whitings on May 7, 1893, shown below. Jim Murphy (#3) is actually Joe Murphy, who had moved to Chicago and taken a position with the Tribune after a messy incident involving a death at an amateur boxing match, at which he was the referee. He wound up being charged as an accessory to murder, but wasn't convicted.

In that same sketch I think Charlie Hallstrom is #7. Thomas Barrett (#2) went on to become Sheriff of Cook County.

It is probably also worth noting that this team sketch also represents the only image we have catalogued for Marty Honan 1890. He has been on my most wanted upgrade list for many years.

[Cusick]

Jim Ball was a 16-game major leaguer with the Boston NL team. This photo of Ball was posted by Jay Gauthreaux on his Facebook page.

[cinemaodyssey]

From the Pegasus UIN files, here are Glass and Stokes in Athletics garb during Spring Training in 1925. They were pictured in The Philadelphia Inquirer on March 1, 1925.

[cinemaodyssey]

I've had pretty good luck tracking down obscure players recently. Jaeger, on the other hand, has completely eluded me. If anyone has anything better than the attached image of Jaeger it would be much appreciated.

[cinemaodyssey]

Facepack upgrade, pictured with the 1885 Brooklyn Grays. The team photo this is sourced from is currently for sale from Hunt Auctions.

[DeweyintheHall]

Any images of Schriver with the White Stockings in the 1890s?

[cinemaodyssey]

Sorry, I don't have anything for Schriver with Chicago. There aren't any known photos of the Chicago teams from 1892-1894 and he unfortunately doesn't appear in the 1891 team photo.

[DeweyintheHall]

Thanks for looking and for the information!

[stlcardsfan]

does anyone have any information on this Collins player from the Washington senators, i cant find a matching player on the rosters

[Jabez54]

WOW
Incredible photos in great condition... DO you have any more info other than "Collins"?

[stlcardsfan]

Originally Posted by Jabez54

WOW
Incredible photos in great condition... DO you have any more info other than "Collins"?

If I remember correctly they were with the other Senators photos from the same photoshoot (posted here years ago). I found them on an online museum archive, possibly the national archives website.

[stlcardsfan]

found these incase anyone needs them.

1925 St. Louis Browns team photo as well as the Spring Training roster with NRI's

Both come from the St. Louis dispatch from photo from April 1925 and list from January 1925

The photo was in the bend of the newspaper for some reason

[cinemaodyssey]

Originally Posted by stlcardsfan

does anyone have any information on this Collins player from the Washington senators, i cant find a matching player on the rosters

The Washington Times of April 30th, 1895 indicated that this player is Herman Collins from Columbus. He was in Spring Training and had been signed in February. He became the odd man out on the roster and was let go not long after this article was written.

[RUKen]

Originally Posted by cinemaodyssey

The Washington Times of April 30th, 1895 indicated that this player is Herman Collins from Columbus. He was in Spring Training and had been signed in February. He became the odd man out on the roster and was let go not long after this article was written.

Following up on cinemaodyssey's identification of Mr. Collins, I found the following from the Phillipsburg (Kansas) Herald, October 17th, 1895:

Herman Collins, of the Washington Club, of the National League and American Association (the full name of the NL during the 1890's--RUKen) was born April 16, 1873, at Columbus, O., and learned to play ball in his native city. His professional career began in 1894, with the New Orleans Club, of the Southern Association. His excellent work attracted the attention of Manager Schmelz, of the Washington Club, and at the close of that season he engaged him for the Washington team. A trial was given to Collins during the early exhibition season, while the Washingtons were sojourning in the South, and he played very acceptably. After the regular championship season began Collins was loaned to the Nashua Club, of the New England Association. He played short stop and captained the team until the New England Association disbanded, about the Fourth of July. Collins has been credited with several batting and fielding performances. The most noteworthy of his batting feats occurred during the season of 1894, while he was connected with the New Orleans team. He was credited with five safe hits, including a home run, three double baggers and a single out of six times at the bat. He is young and ambitious and should do well yet.