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Old 06-10-2006, 02:10 PM   #1
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Incorrect stolen base statistics

Couple of incorrect scoring plays involving stolen bases:

1) On a stolen base attempt of second base where the catcher makes a bad throw for an error and the runner ends up at third, an error is correctly charged, but incorrectly, the runner is not credited with a stolen base.

2) On a successful double steal, the backend runner is not credited with a stolen base.
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Old 06-10-2006, 04:15 PM   #2
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Couple of incorrect scoring plays involving stolen bases:

1) On a stolen base attempt of second base where the catcher makes a bad throw for an error and the runner ends up at third, an error is correctly charged, but incorrectly, the runner is not credited with a stolen base.

2) On a successful double steal, the backend runner is not credited with a stolen base.
I don't know about the 1st part, but the patch fixed the double steal problem.
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Old 06-10-2006, 05:24 PM   #3
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I don't know about the 1st part, but the patch fixed the double steal problem.
The 1st part is still an issue. Still no stolen base credited on catcher errors.
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Old 06-30-2006, 03:09 PM   #4
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I apologize for the late response to this thread.

I'm no rules lawyer. Can someone confirm for me, does the runner really get credit for a stolen base when the catcher gets an error? After all, a player doesn't get a hit when there's an error on the throw to get him out...

I'm happy to get this logged, but I want to be pretty sure that's really how it's treated.

Can anyone provide a reference?

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Old 06-30-2006, 03:32 PM   #5
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I apologize for the late response to this thread.

I'm no rules lawyer. Can someone confirm for me, does the runner really get credit for a stolen base when the catcher gets an error? After all, a player doesn't get a hit when there's an error on the throw to get him out...

I'm happy to get this logged, but I want to be pretty sure that's really how it's treated.

Can anyone provide a reference?

Thanks!

Steve
Official rules from MLB on Stolen Bases:
STOLEN BASES
10.08
A stolen base shall be credited to a runner whenever he advances one base unaided by a hit, a putout, an error, a force-out, a fielder’s choice, a passed ball, a wild pitch or a balk, subject to the following:
(a) When a runner starts for the next base before the pitcher delivers the ball and the pitch results in what ordinarily is scored a wild pitch or passed ball, credit the runner with a stolen base and do not charge the misplay. EXCEPTION: If, as a result of the misplay, the stealing runner advances an extra base, or another runner also advances, score the wild pitch or passed ball as well as the stolen base.
(b) When a runner is attempting to steal, and the catcher, after receiving the pitch, makes a wild throw trying to prevent the stolen base, credit a stolen base. Do not charge an error unless the wild throw permits the stealing runner to advance one or more extra bases, or permits another runner to advance, in which case credit the stolen base and charge one error to the catcher.
(c) When a runner, attempting to steal, or after being picked off base, evades being put out in a run-down play and advances to the next base without the aid of an error, credit the runner with a stolen base. If another runner also advances on the play, credit both runners with stolen bases. If a runner advances while another runner, attempting to steal, evades being put out in a run-down play and returns safely, without the aid of an error, to the base he originally occupied, credit a stolen base to the runner who advances.
(d) When a double or triple steal is attempted and one runner is thrown out before reaching and holding the base he is attempting to steal, no other runner shall be credited with a stolen base.
(e) When a runner is tagged out after oversliding a base, while attempting either to return to that base or to advance to the next base, he shall not be credited with a stolen base.
(f) When in the scorer’s judgment a runner attempting to steal is safe because of a muffed throw, do not credit a stolen base. Credit an assist to the fielder who made the throw; charge an error to the fielder who muffed the throw, and charge the runner with “caught stealing.”
(g) No stolen base shall be scored when a runner advances solely because of the defensive team’s indifference to his advance. Score as a fielder’s choice.

Section B in bold is the current question. Of course then you have to worry with section F.... but whatever.
Bolded section in Section D I don't think is being handled correctly by the game either... although I don't remember exactly and have no firm data.
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Old 06-30-2006, 03:41 PM   #6
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That'll work.

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Old 07-11-2006, 02:34 PM   #7
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Markus has claimed this fixed in the next patch!

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Old 08-02-2006, 04:11 PM   #8
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This fix has been verified.
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