Player refuses the contract he requested

beorn · 07-16-2006, 03:53 PM

My pitcher asks for a 4 year deal in September, and I offer exactly what he asks. He says it is not what he is looking for.

rwd59 · 07-16-2006, 04:04 PM

Yep, it does that. I got a problem if I offer what is asked for from one of my own players but he says no. If they are not going to accept it they should not give a dollar figure amount. If it is a FA during the season, I don't have a problem with it.

beorn · 07-16-2006, 04:15 PM

I'd like to hear that this is a bug and being addressed. If it is a design decision, it's a pretty poor call.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwd59

If it is a FA during the season, I don't have a problem with it.

I'm not clear on your thinking here, unless he has a better offer. I mean, he is the one who gave a number... why would it "not be what he is looking for"?

And if he has a better offer than what he is asking for, I would think I would just get an answer that he signed elsewhere.

Off season FA is a little different because bidding is on-going from many organizations, although even here the wording "not what I am looking for" would be ridiculous wording. Rather, an offer of what the guy asked for might call for an "I am considering your offer" or "You have been outbid" response.

elderotter · 07-16-2006, 04:44 PM

I have run into that and sometimes - not with own players but with free agents someone else has given them a better offer. Sometimes I think they have a high greed number too.

GabeRivers · 07-16-2006, 05:20 PM

I've seen it twice in the last couple of days with foreign players that scouts have turned up. I've had to pay them much more than they requested. That asking figure should be gold. If someone else steps in with a higher offer, they should say in their e-mail response that they've had a better offer. But in cases where you're not bidding against anyone else (foreign finds or extensions), it seems to me that they ought to either agree to their number or the number should be dynamic and change.

Zeyes · 07-16-2006, 05:51 PM

I haven't played around with contract offers too much, but just in case: Maybe superstar players expect a contract that becomes worth more over time? Might be worth a try to assign e.g.

7,370,000
7,620,000
8,120,000
8,370,000

to the 4 contract years and see if that makes any difference...

beorn · 07-16-2006, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GabeRivers

I've seen it twice in the last couple of days with foreign players that scouts have turned up. I've had to pay them much more than they requested. That asking figure should be gold. If someone else steps in with a higher offer, they should say in their e-mail response that they've had a better offer. But in cases where you're not bidding against anyone else (foreign finds or extensions), it seems to me that they ought to either agree to their number or the number should be dynamic and change.

Exactly. (Although in the case I put in the picture, this is my own player re-negotiating.)

fantom1979 · 07-16-2006, 06:33 PM

I have seen it a few times when trying to extend a players contract.

beorn · 07-16-2006, 09:06 PM

Tried exceeding his demands, and giving an escalating offer. Still no.

If it's a bug, fine. I'll wait for a fix. If this is working as designed, then it's absurd.

fantom1979 · 07-16-2006, 10:58 PM

In the last screen shot you posted, you are offering the guy about 3.5 mil per season less then he is asking for. Did you post the right screen shot? I have seen this bug myself, but the last screenie doesnt seem to match up.

dougaiton · 07-17-2006, 05:31 AM

So here's an interesting thing, then: considering his demands seem to have doubled overnight, looking at the two screenshots, is this intentional? Or is there a bug in players occasionally not displaying the right evaluation?

i.e. If it is a bug, it could only be one two things:
1) The game doesn't realise the offer is what the player asked for
2) The game is displaying the players demands wrongly

And here's my theory!
Something happens between the offer being made and the AI accepting/rejecting that causes the demands to go up - talent bump, rescout, passing of service time barrier, artificial check, bigger sample size of stats, could be anything! - so that when the player asked for the contract, he thought he was worth £8mil per, but a few days later when he came to decide, he thought he was worth $11mil per.

Perhaps freezing 'evaluations' when an offer is submitted might be an idea, or having a special news response 'I changed my mind, I want more'.

beorn · 07-17-2006, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dougaiton

So here's an interesting thing, then: considering his demands seem to have doubled overnight, looking at the two screenshots, is this intentional? Or is there a bug in players occasionally not displaying the right evaluation?

i.e. If it is a bug, it could only be one two things:
1) The game doesn't realise the offer is what the player asked for
2) The game is displaying the players demands wrongly

And here's my theory!
Something happens between the offer being made and the AI accepting/rejecting that causes the demands to go up - talent bump, rescout, passing of service time barrier, artificial check, bigger sample size of stats, could be anything! - so that when the player asked for the contract, he thought he was worth £8mil per, but a few days later when he came to decide, he thought he was worth $11mil per.

Perhaps freezing 'evaluations' when an offer is submitted might be an idea, or having a special news response 'I changed my mind, I want more'.

Ideally, the greediest players might come back with a 'I changed my mind, I want more' but it should be rare and never take the form of just repeating the lower offer.

I agree with your analysis -- one of those hypotheses is true. Then, on top of that, the AI does have players change their demands at some point, and it happened to be during these protracted negotiations. This never came up in 6.5 because offer and reponse were instantaneous.

beorn · 07-17-2006, 02:44 PM

In the off season, I offer a guy a little better than what he says he wants, and he acts all offended.

Is it that:
a) the inital indication of what he wanted was incorrect?
b) that I have been outbid, and the player response text is misleading?

The fact that this is so similar to what happens with my own players during the year makes me think "a."

battists · 07-21-2006, 11:57 AM

I'd be interested in finding out if free agents are still pulling this trick in the latest patch. Anyone have a few minutes to check?

Thanks,

Steve

battists · 08-02-2006, 03:57 PM

We have a rule that states that Tech Support threads wherein we have not received a response within 7 days will be closed.

This one meets this criteria, so I'm closing this.

If you want to discuss it again, just PM me with the thread link, and I'll re-open. (Don't just say "Hey, reopen my thread." I need to know the URL, thanks!)

Steve

07-16-2006, 03:53 PM	#1
beorn All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: near Rochester, NY Posts: 1,269	Player refuses the contract he requested My pitcher asks for a 4 year deal in September, and I offer exactly what he asks. He says it is not what he is looking for. __________________ Commish of Dog Days Baseball Commish Pennant Chase Baseball League (PCBL) Commish and Blue Jays GM Extra Innings Baseball

07-16-2006, 06:33 PM	#8
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	I have seen it a few times when trying to extend a players contract. __________________

07-16-2006, 09:06 PM	#9
beorn All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: near Rochester, NY Posts: 1,269	Tried exceeding his demands, and giving an escalating offer. Still no. If it's a bug, fine. I'll wait for a fix. If this is working as designed, then it's absurd. __________________ Commish of Dog Days Baseball Commish Pennant Chase Baseball League (PCBL) Commish and Blue Jays GM Extra Innings Baseball Last edited by beorn; 07-16-2006 at 09:08 PM.

07-16-2006, 10:58 PM	#10
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	In the last screen shot you posted, you are offering the guy about 3.5 mil per season less then he is asking for. Did you post the right screen shot? I have seen this bug myself, but the last screenie doesnt seem to match up. __________________

07-17-2006, 05:31 AM	#11
dougaiton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Location: Posts: 3,414	So here's an interesting thing, then: considering his demands seem to have doubled overnight, looking at the two screenshots, is this intentional? Or is there a bug in players occasionally not displaying the right evaluation? i.e. If it is a bug, it could only be one two things: 1) The game doesn't realise the offer is what the player asked for 2) The game is displaying the players demands wrongly And here's my theory! Something happens between the offer being made and the AI accepting/rejecting that causes the demands to go up - talent bump, rescout, passing of service time barrier, artificial check, bigger sample size of stats, could be anything! - so that when the player asked for the contract, he thought he was worth £8mil per, but a few days later when he came to decide, he thought he was worth $11mil per. Perhaps freezing 'evaluations' when an offer is submitted might be an idea, or having a special news response 'I changed my mind, I want more'. __________________ tThis shower of clowns My park-adjusted, historically split Born in '69 league file! (also at Joe's wonderful site +BBSC)

07-16-2006, 04:04 PM	#2
rwd59 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 859	Yep, it does that. I got a problem if I offer what is asked for from one of my own players but he says no. If they are not going to accept it they should not give a dollar figure amount. If it is a FA during the season, I don't have a problem with it.

07-16-2006, 04:44 PM	#4
elderotter Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 18	I have run into that and sometimes - not with own players but with free agents someone else has given them a better offer. Sometimes I think they have a high greed number too.

07-16-2006, 05:20 PM	#5
GabeRivers Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 82	I've seen it twice in the last couple of days with foreign players that scouts have turned up. I've had to pay them much more than they requested. That asking figure should be gold. If someone else steps in with a higher offer, they should say in their e-mail response that they've had a better offer. But in cases where you're not bidding against anyone else (foreign finds or extensions), it seems to me that they ought to either agree to their number or the number should be dynamic and change.

07-16-2006, 05:51 PM	#6
Zeyes All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 818	I haven't played around with contract offers too much, but just in case: Maybe superstar players expect a contract that becomes worth more over time? Might be worth a try to assign e.g. 7,370,000 7,620,000 8,120,000 8,370,000 to the 4 contract years and see if that makes any difference...

07-17-2006, 02:44 PM	#13
beorn All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: near Rochester, NY Posts: 1,269	Contract negotiation absurdities, take two In the off season, I offer a guy a little better than what he says he wants, and he acts all offended. Is it that: a) the inital indication of what he wanted was incorrect? b) that I have been outbid, and the player response text is misleading? The fact that this is so similar to what happens with my own players during the year makes me think "a." __________________ Commish of Dog Days Baseball Commish Pennant Chase Baseball League (PCBL) Commish and Blue Jays GM Extra Innings Baseball

07-21-2006, 11:57 AM	#14
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506 Blog Entries: 7	I'd be interested in finding out if free agents are still pulling this trick in the latest patch. Anyone have a few minutes to check? Thanks, Steve

08-02-2006, 03:57 PM	#15
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506 Blog Entries: 7	We have a rule that states that Tech Support threads wherein we have not received a response within 7 days will be closed. This one meets this criteria, so I'm closing this. If you want to discuss it again, just PM me with the thread link, and I'll re-open. (Don't just say "Hey, reopen my thread." I need to know the URL, thanks!) Steve