FA leaving leagues

Mattymo · 08-31-2006, 11:33 AM

I'm running a three league universe, MLB (Historical), American Baseball League (Fictional) and Japanese League.

I have checked the box "free agents from other leagues can be signed" because I have a Mexican league that basically is a feeder to the minor leagues of the other leagues (especially the MLB).

However, I have not checked the box "Free agents may leave this league". I don't want Real Historical players playing in my fictional leagues, and vice versa.

I have noticed that if a MLB team releases a player, then he will often sign with the ABL, which I can deal with, especially if that player is just going to die in the minors.

However, say a guy gets released by the MLB, and signed by the ABL. When that player becomes a free agent, he CAN leave that league, despite me not wanting that. It seems that once a player does leave a league (because he was released), then the "free agents may not leave this league" thing does not apply. Also, this does not apply to minor league free agents.

For Instance:

Grover Gilmore (who incidentally was a Federal Baseball league player, thus went directly into free agency) was signed by the ABL Columbus Cyclone in 1914. He played there for a year and a half, then was traded to the Honolulu Hawaiians. He became a free agent in 1919, and was signed by the New York Yankees of the MLB.

Roy Witherup, who started out with the Boston Braves, was released by the Chicago White Sox in 1915. He then signed a pretty nice contract with the Hanshin Tigers of the Japanese League. He absolute tore it up, going 58-4 with a sub-1.00 ERA in 2 seasons. He then signed as a free agent with the Boise Gappers of the ABL.

It seems this is only happening with MLB players because those released players are good enough to go play in other leagues, while released players in the fictional leagues are just not good enough.

Zeyes · 08-31-2006, 01:54 PM

Alright, I've had a bit of trouble following all that.

Are you saying that you've set those two options ("may leave" and "can be signed") the same way for all three leagues? If not, can you list how they're set for each league? That would make it easier to figure out if the player movements you're seeing are due to the settings or evidence of a problem...

Mattymo · 08-31-2006, 03:27 PM

For all three leagues I've:

allowed for free agents to join leagues
but NOT allowed free agents to leave leagues

This way the MLB can sign Mexican League free agents to play in the minor leagues, since there is no draft.

I kind of like this happening, it adds a small wrinkle in my universe (MLB castoffs playing in the up-and-coming ABL), but to some it may be a problem, that's why I'm bringing it up. Basically:

Once a player joins a league other than his original league (via being released), the "free agents may leave this league" and "free agents from other leagues can be signed" options do not apply. This also goes for minor league free agents as well.

Zeyes · 08-31-2006, 05:01 PM

Well, I'm even more confused now...your post made me wonder if my understanding of the "FAs can leave this league" setting was wrong, but running a sim seems to confirm my thinking.

In short: With a purely fictional setup and FA options set as you did, player movements like the ones you listed in your first post are impossible. The only way for players to change leagues is via trade, which is in keeping with the options' intent, I think...you're preventing all FAs from leaving their respective league, so even though all clubs are technically allowed to sign players from outside because of the other setting, they cannot do so because nobody is actually available to them.

So, I think what you see happening to players who are in their second league is actually what's supposed to always happen, and their initial ability to change leagues is wrong/a bug. Maybe it's due to the inclusion of a historical league, I dunno.

Just my interpretation though...what's actually happening may be something completely different.

battists · 10-22-2006, 05:46 PM

Alright, I'm very sorry this took me so long.

Like Zeyes, I'm a little confused, but it sounds like we should be able to reproduce this issue...if I could understand it.

I guess, could you tell me what you expect to see happen?

I was confused right away, because you said that you did not allow free agents to leave the league, and then right after that you said that "if a MLB team releases a player, then he will often sign with the ABL." If that's happening, it seems to me that it shouldn't be, and that's the root of the issue...

Anyway, sorry for the delay, but let me know if you'd like to keep looking at this issue.

Steve

Erik W. · 10-30-2006, 08:41 AM

We usually close threads if they've gone without a response for seven days, as is the case with this one, as it can be assumed that the problem has been resolved.

If you'd like me to re-open the thread, feel free to PM me with a link to it. Thanks!

08-31-2006, 11:33 AM	#1
Mattymo All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Colchester, CT Posts: 1,448	FA leaving leagues I'm running a three league universe, MLB (Historical), American Baseball League (Fictional) and Japanese League. I have checked the box "free agents from other leagues can be signed" because I have a Mexican league that basically is a feeder to the minor leagues of the other leagues (especially the MLB). However, I have not checked the box "Free agents may leave this league". I don't want Real Historical players playing in my fictional leagues, and vice versa. I have noticed that if a MLB team releases a player, then he will often sign with the ABL, which I can deal with, especially if that player is just going to die in the minors. However, say a guy gets released by the MLB, and signed by the ABL. When that player becomes a free agent, he CAN leave that league, despite me not wanting that. It seems that once a player does leave a league (because he was released), then the "free agents may not leave this league" thing does not apply. Also, this does not apply to minor league free agents. For Instance: Grover Gilmore (who incidentally was a Federal Baseball league player, thus went directly into free agency) was signed by the ABL Columbus Cyclone in 1914. He played there for a year and a half, then was traded to the Honolulu Hawaiians. He became a free agent in 1919, and was signed by the New York Yankees of the MLB. Roy Witherup, who started out with the Boston Braves, was released by the Chicago White Sox in 1915. He then signed a pretty nice contract with the Hanshin Tigers of the Japanese League. He absolute tore it up, going 58-4 with a sub-1.00 ERA in 2 seasons. He then signed as a free agent with the Boise Gappers of the ABL. It seems this is only happening with MLB players because those released players are good enough to go play in other leagues, while released players in the fictional leagues are just not good enough.

10-30-2006, 08:41 AM	#6
Erik W. Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rivière-du-Loup, Qc Posts: 4,615	We usually close threads if they've gone without a response for seven days, as is the case with this one, as it can be assumed that the problem has been resolved. If you'd like me to re-open the thread, feel free to PM me with a link to it. Thanks! __________________ Free agent baseball fan. Let's go (insert team name here)!

08-31-2006, 01:54 PM	#2
Zeyes All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 818	Alright, I've had a bit of trouble following all that. Are you saying that you've set those two options ("may leave" and "can be signed") the same way for all three leagues? If not, can you list how they're set for each league? That would make it easier to figure out if the player movements you're seeing are due to the settings or evidence of a problem...

08-31-2006, 03:27 PM	#3
Mattymo All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Colchester, CT Posts: 1,448	For all three leagues I've: allowed for free agents to join leagues but NOT allowed free agents to leave leagues This way the MLB can sign Mexican League free agents to play in the minor leagues, since there is no draft. I kind of like this happening, it adds a small wrinkle in my universe (MLB castoffs playing in the up-and-coming ABL), but to some it may be a problem, that's why I'm bringing it up. Basically: Once a player joins a league other than his original league (via being released), the "free agents may leave this league" and "free agents from other leagues can be signed" options do not apply. This also goes for minor league free agents as well.

08-31-2006, 05:01 PM	#4
Zeyes All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 818	Well, I'm even more confused now...your post made me wonder if my understanding of the "FAs can leave this league" setting was wrong, but running a sim seems to confirm my thinking. In short: With a purely fictional setup and FA options set as you did, player movements like the ones you listed in your first post are impossible. The only way for players to change leagues is via trade, which is in keeping with the options' intent, I think...you're preventing all FAs from leaving their respective league, so even though all clubs are technically allowed to sign players from outside because of the other setting, they cannot do so because nobody is actually available to them. So, I think what you see happening to players who are in their second league is actually what's supposed to always happen, and their initial ability to change leagues is wrong/a bug. Maybe it's due to the inclusion of a historical league, I dunno. Just my interpretation though...what's actually happening may be something completely different.

10-22-2006, 05:46 PM	#5
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	Alright, I'm very sorry this took me so long. Like Zeyes, I'm a little confused, but it sounds like we should be able to reproduce this issue...if I could understand it. I guess, could you tell me what you expect to see happen? I was confused right away, because you said that you did not allow free agents to leave the league, and then right after that you said that "if a MLB team releases a player, then he will often sign with the ABL." If that's happening, it seems to me that it shouldn't be, and that's the root of the issue... Anyway, sorry for the delay, but let me know if you'd like to keep looking at this issue. Steve