BZ 1759: AI ignores active roster size

SMFXR01 · 07-16-2008, 11:32 AM

ver 9.1.2

Setting up a fictional league
ML
AAA
AA
A
R
All minor league active rosters set to 40
ghost players off

The AI will not put more than 25 players in AAA,AA,A.
Sometimes R might have 26,27 or 28 maybe but not consistantly.

Even going in as Commish assigning players then going back to AI means that within a short while the teams get trimmed back to 25!

Even filling teams with fictional players has the same effect...after a short while the AI trims back again.

This is very annoying as I like to work my way up in an organisation...but feel a little short changed when a Single A pitcher gets sent down to Rookie because the AI has sent down a pitcher from AA !

(tried searching the forum for similar came up blank)

Carplos · 07-16-2008, 12:01 PM

Yeah, it will only put up to 25, even if you set the roster limits higher, with the exception of the lowest affiliate. I noticed this when I set the SS-A rosters to 35, but teams still only put 25 guys there.

SMFXR01 · 07-17-2008, 08:50 AM

After further investigations...

Created new Fictional League.
Same as before except active roster size of ML is set to 35.
(all minor leagues set to 40).

Simmed through to opening day.
ML active roster is 35....
Minor League size is....25....
excpect for the lowest affiliate.
This doesn't seem logical that the AI would trim down a team that much.
I assume this has been happening going back a few versions.
But can't seem to find any comments on it.

(redsoxford where are you....or have you changed your name)

Tony M · 07-17-2008, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SMFXR01

(redsoxford where are you....or have you changed your name)

I'm still here.

It seems very odd this. It happily does the lowest level correctly, as well as any where the Active Roster size <= 25, but I can get it to stick to a 29 man active roster, but not a 41 man active roster if it's lower than MLB or higher than R.

Carplos · 07-17-2008, 03:24 PM

It does the lowest level correctly because it has no where to send those guys down. So if you leave the active roster limits at the lowest level to "no limit" (or something higher than 25), it will work fine.

68pirate · 07-17-2008, 04:39 PM

Add me to the list of people who wished this worked properly. If I raise the limits in my minor leagues to >25, I can set up my affiliates accordingly. However, the AI affiliates will always have a 25 man roster except at the lowest level. If my AAA active roster is set to 30, the AI teams will always have a roster showing 25/30. I prefer to have more than 25 man rosters at all minor league levels to compensate for the fact there is no minor league disabled list. I do not want a team handicapped by injuries to only have 20 players available, or 8 pitchers available for example.
Additionally, since we're on the subject of rosters, I wish we could set a preference to mandate a standard number of pitchers and position players on AI rosters. I know we can play with the strategy sliders, but even if I set them all the way to prefer pitching each AI team still only has 11 or 12 pitchers at the max. I wish I could, for example, say that I want all AI teams to have 30 man active rosters, with 14 pitchers and 16 position players and the AI would then set up each team accordingly. I love a style of liberal substitutions, especially in blowouts, and numerous lefty/righty relief pitcher matchups. Similar to September MLB with the expanded rosters.
The disregard of minor league active roster preferences does appear to be a bug.

SMFXR01 · 07-18-2008, 10:56 AM

Continuing the investigation.

ver 9.1.2

Created Fictional League (not using ghost players)
ML - Active Roster -25
AAA - 40
AA - 40
A - 40
R - 50

After inaugural draft

ML - 25
AAA - 25
AA - 25
A - 25
R - 35

I then filled all leagues with fictional players (as commish)
which did fill the active rosters.
After simming to Spring Training the active rosters then had returned to levels as of after the inaugural draft.

Although this will defined as just bad AI logic rather than a bug it certainly does remove a whole dimension of the game.The ability to work your way up in an organisation is handicapped by shortage of players. It only takes a couple of injuries to render your team unable to compete (how I hate having to play a pitcher at 2B).
Just thought of something else I could try.....

RchW · 07-18-2008, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68pirate

Add me to the list of people who wished this worked properly. If I raise the limits in my minor leagues to >25, I can set up my affiliates accordingly. However, the AI affiliates will always have a 25 man roster except at the lowest level. If my AAA active roster is set to 30, the AI teams will always have a roster showing 25/30. I prefer to have more than 25 man rosters at all minor league levels to compensate for the fact there is no minor league disabled list. I do not want a team handicapped by injuries to only have 20 players available, or 8 pitchers available for example.
Additionally, since we're on the subject of rosters, I wish we could set a preference to mandate a standard number of pitchers and position players on AI rosters. I know we can play with the strategy sliders, but even if I set them all the way to prefer pitching each AI team still only has 11 or 12 pitchers at the max. I wish I could, for example, say that I want all AI teams to have 30 man active rosters, with 14 pitchers and 16 position players and the AI would then set up each team accordingly. I love a style of liberal substitutions, especially in blowouts, and numerous lefty/righty relief pitcher matchups. Similar to September MLB with the expanded rosters.
The disregard of minor league active roster preferences does appear to be a bug.

Completely agree with this, especially due to injuries. I don't spend a lot of time on minor league teams but several times a season you have to do some juggling because you have an exhausted catcher or no one to play third or you have only two starters.

This brings up another AI concern. I notice that the minor league teams will not play a guy out of position ie if you have a player rated at only 2B, not a starter, the AI will not play him at SS or 3B but lets those guys get exhausted. That really takes away from the player development idea. It irritates me to no end that you can't get anyone to learn a position unless you take full control of each minor league team.

What could really work here would be an organization wide depth chart. Something that ranked all your players by position. If a guy goes down in AAA the AI could promote (but not demote) the next rated player. If as a GM you want control, just have the AI send an E-mail saying, "why don't you promote XY from AA to fill in for a week".

The whole design of minor league functionality needs some thought.

SMFXR01 · 07-18-2008, 03:38 PM

I had 2 thoughts....
First one I thought filling with free agents instead of fictional players.
(OOTP might treat them differently).
It doesn't.....

Then in another flash of inspiration...
(in other words something I should have thought about first)

I should sim through to opening day because if I just sim to spring training
then some minor leaguers are going to be on the ST roster.

So I sim to Opening Day.
Shouldn't have bothered...AI slips the rosters down so I up with
ML - 25
AAA - 25
AA - 25
A - 25
R - 48

In conclusion - I've changed my mind.
This is a bug and should be counted as one.
Although I'm possibly right that it has been like it for a few versions.....
and that this will just get dismissed as poor AI logic.
Never mind.
I can always play at Major League level....and check the box for never being fired.
Or get good at the game!

Fred

Tony M · 07-18-2008, 04:55 PM

I've got this to happen as well.

Logged as BZ 1759

Nutlaw · 08-01-2008, 06:44 PM

Tony: "The bug is fixed in that the teams do hold at or near the roster limit now for
minors > 25, but the game at initial creation still only creates 25 inaugural
draftees for each level of minors. So, I set a fictional league with ML = 25,
AAA = 28, AA = 32, A = 38, SA = 45, R = 48 and started the league. After
drafting the teams were 25/25, 28/28, 32/32, 38/38, 27/45, 0/48 - the number of
players was 150 which is 6 * 25."

Markus: "There are enough players created, but the number of draft rounds needs to be
modified by the user."

adamosity · 08-02-2008, 02:14 AM

this may or may not relate to this bug, but it's in the same theme.

in 2009 (2008 quick start), none of the major league rosters have more than 19 players, other than mine. It is set to 25 around the league..but some teams have as little as 13!

--adam

07-16-2008, 11:32 AM	#1
SMFXR01 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,196	BZ 1759: AI ignores active roster size ver 9.1.2 Setting up a fictional league ML AAA AA A R All minor league active rosters set to 40 ghost players off The AI will not put more than 25 players in AAA,AA,A. Sometimes R might have 26,27 or 28 maybe but not consistantly. Even going in as Commish assigning players then going back to AI means that within a short while the teams get trimmed back to 25! Even filling teams with fictional players has the same effect...after a short while the AI trims back again. This is very annoying as I like to work my way up in an organisation...but feel a little short changed when a Single A pitcher gets sent down to Rookie because the AI has sent down a pitcher from AA ! (tried searching the forum for similar came up blank) Last edited by SMFXR01; 07-17-2008 at 09:07 AM. Reason: title

07-18-2008, 04:55 PM	#10
Tony M Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Here Posts: 6,156	I've got this to happen as well. Logged as BZ 1759 __________________ This signature is intentionally blank

07-16-2008, 12:01 PM	#2
Carplos Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,822 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	Yeah, it will only put up to 25, even if you set the roster limits higher, with the exception of the lowest affiliate. I noticed this when I set the SS-A rosters to 35, but teams still only put 25 guys there.

07-17-2008, 08:50 AM	#3
SMFXR01 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,196	After further investigations... Created new Fictional League. Same as before except active roster size of ML is set to 35. (all minor leagues set to 40). Simmed through to opening day. ML active roster is 35.... Minor League size is....25.... excpect for the lowest affiliate. This doesn't seem logical that the AI would trim down a team that much. I assume this has been happening going back a few versions. But can't seem to find any comments on it. (redsoxford where are you....or have you changed your name)

07-17-2008, 03:24 PM	#5
Carplos Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,822 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	It does the lowest level correctly because it has no where to send those guys down. So if you leave the active roster limits at the lowest level to "no limit" (or something higher than 25), it will work fine.

07-17-2008, 04:39 PM	#6
68pirate Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 84	Add me to the list of people who wished this worked properly. If I raise the limits in my minor leagues to >25, I can set up my affiliates accordingly. However, the AI affiliates will always have a 25 man roster except at the lowest level. If my AAA active roster is set to 30, the AI teams will always have a roster showing 25/30. I prefer to have more than 25 man rosters at all minor league levels to compensate for the fact there is no minor league disabled list. I do not want a team handicapped by injuries to only have 20 players available, or 8 pitchers available for example. Additionally, since we're on the subject of rosters, I wish we could set a preference to mandate a standard number of pitchers and position players on AI rosters. I know we can play with the strategy sliders, but even if I set them all the way to prefer pitching each AI team still only has 11 or 12 pitchers at the max. I wish I could, for example, say that I want all AI teams to have 30 man active rosters, with 14 pitchers and 16 position players and the AI would then set up each team accordingly. I love a style of liberal substitutions, especially in blowouts, and numerous lefty/righty relief pitcher matchups. Similar to September MLB with the expanded rosters. The disregard of minor league active roster preferences does appear to be a bug.

07-18-2008, 10:56 AM	#7
SMFXR01 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,196	Continuing the investigation. ver 9.1.2 Created Fictional League (not using ghost players) ML - Active Roster -25 AAA - 40 AA - 40 A - 40 R - 50 After inaugural draft ML - 25 AAA - 25 AA - 25 A - 25 R - 35 I then filled all leagues with fictional players (as commish) which did fill the active rosters. After simming to Spring Training the active rosters then had returned to levels as of after the inaugural draft. Although this will defined as just bad AI logic rather than a bug it certainly does remove a whole dimension of the game.The ability to work your way up in an organisation is handicapped by shortage of players. It only takes a couple of injuries to render your team unable to compete (how I hate having to play a pitcher at 2B). Just thought of something else I could try.....

07-18-2008, 03:38 PM	#9
SMFXR01 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,196	I had 2 thoughts.... First one I thought filling with free agents instead of fictional players. (OOTP might treat them differently). It doesn't..... Then in another flash of inspiration... (in other words something I should have thought about first) I should sim through to opening day because if I just sim to spring training then some minor leaguers are going to be on the ST roster. So I sim to Opening Day. Shouldn't have bothered...AI slips the rosters down so I up with ML - 25 AAA - 25 AA - 25 A - 25 R - 48 In conclusion - I've changed my mind. This is a bug and should be counted as one. Although I'm possibly right that it has been like it for a few versions..... and that this will just get dismissed as poor AI logic. Never mind. I can always play at Major League level....and check the box for never being fired. Or get good at the game! Fred

08-01-2008, 06:44 PM	#11
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Tony: "The bug is fixed in that the teams do hold at or near the roster limit now for minors > 25, but the game at initial creation still only creates 25 inaugural draftees for each level of minors. So, I set a fictional league with ML = 25, AAA = 28, AA = 32, A = 38, SA = 45, R = 48 and started the league. After drafting the teams were 25/25, 28/28, 32/32, 38/38, 27/45, 0/48 - the number of players was 150 which is 6 * 25." Markus: "There are enough players created, but the number of draft rounds needs to be modified by the user."

08-02-2008, 02:14 AM	#12
adamosity Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 66	this may or may not relate to this bug, but it's in the same theme. in 2009 (2008 quick start), none of the major league rosters have more than 19 players, other than mine. It is set to 25 around the league..but some teams have as little as 13! --adam