What's included in Online League file download?

satchel · 07-28-2008, 03:00 AM

When an owner clicks "Load Online League file," exactly which files does that update on his computer?

rasnell · 07-28-2008, 06:54 AM

It is the master folder for your league, including all .dat files, news stories, images, etc.

You only need to do this once from the web site. In all future updates of the league file, a GM only needs to go to the manager home page and select the link to update league file in OOTP 09.

satchel · 07-28-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by rasnell

It is the master folder for your league, including all .dat files, news stories, images, etc.

You only need to do this once from the web site. In all future updates of the league file, a GM only needs to go to the manager home page and select the link to update league file in OOTP 09.

Your answer has confused me. In the first part, are you describing what I've put in the "league file" available on my league home page? I know what I put into it.

My question is, when the GM "go[es] to the manager home page and select[s] the link to update league file in OOTP 09," which files on his home machine then get updated? Apparently, it's not "all .dat files, news stories, images, etc." but only some of them? Which files actually do get updated?

rasnell · 07-28-2008, 12:22 PM

Unless I'm mistaken, it's the same file with updates for the latest round of news, images you might have added, etc.

satchel · 07-28-2008, 12:58 PM

Thanks Rasnell.

Does the game check to see which available files are newer than the files the owner already has on his machine? And then download the newer ones from the server?

It seemed like, in my v8 online leagues, not everything would get updated when I clicked to update my online league files. For example, player photos didn't always seem to update to the latest version. This might have been due to certain settings, either on the league's part, or on mine.

Bristolduke · 07-28-2008, 03:07 PM

I can't speak to the 9 improvements. but in 8 the answer is what the commish exports. Images are a good example. They are large, causing big upload and down loads, don't change very often. In my historical league, I actually have a separate zip file for photos on the web site. They are never pushed as part of the file updates.

Box scores are another area. You can determine how far back you are going to export box scores. So again a trade off can be made. Do you export all box scores (even if you are playing in August), or only the box scores for the last sim. If someone skips an update, then they may be missing some of the data (although the HTML pages are still on the site.

It is all a trade off of the size of the file you want uploaded/downloaded by managers (and the time it takes to do that) vs having data available for long periods of time.

satchel · 07-28-2008, 04:22 PM

Thanks BD.

rasnell · 07-28-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by satchel

Thanks Rasnell.

Does the game check to see which available files are newer than the files the owner already has on his machine? And then download the newer ones from the server?

It seemed like, in my v8 online leagues, not everything would get updated when I clicked to update my online league files. For example, player photos didn't always seem to update to the latest version. This might have been due to certain settings, either on the league's part, or on mine.

Yes, 09 updates any changes by simply having GM choose update league file from inside the game. It does include all the images. But BD is right that the images are large and seem to be part of each transmission, whether you update photos or not. I might turn images off just to see how slim the file becomes.

satchel · 07-28-2008, 07:46 PM

Thanks again Rasnell, I appreciate your input.

rasnell · 07-29-2008, 05:44 AM

By the way, I just turned off photos just to see what a difference that makes. League file is 10 times smaller, much faster upload speeds. It appears that it keeps transmitting the entire photo file rather than any changes.

satchel · 07-29-2008, 01:11 PM

Thanks for that info.

I'm going to experiment with this, I was asking questions before giving it a try. I suppose I can learn a lot by going through with the process, I thought maybe someone had itemized exactly what happens when this is executed.

rasnell · 07-29-2008, 04:33 PM

Well, thanks to you, Satch, I tried turning photos off and the league file is now 3 meg instead of 30 meg and that really makes a difference with all these league updates every other day.

So I'm still learning myself.

Solonor · 07-29-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rasnell

By the way, I just turned off photos just to see what a difference that makes. League file is 10 times smaller, much faster upload speeds. It appears that it keeps transmitting the entire photo file rather than any changes.

If that is true, then either you don't have the option to just send changed photos turned on or there's a bug.

The only files that get sent every time are the .DAT files, and you can optionally turn off sending names and retired players dats.

rasnell · 07-29-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Solonor

If that is true, then either you don't have the option to just send changed photos turned on or there's a bug.

The only files that get sent every time are the .DAT files, and you can optionally turn off sending names and retired players dats.

Must be yet another bug in 9.1.2 for me as online commissioner. I did have the "just send changed photos" on and it kept transmitting a 30 meg file each time.

As soon as I clicked that off, I have a 3 meg file.

How large are your typical league files?

Do you still have my FTP from earlier where you can look at the previous setting?

Solonor · 07-29-2008, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rasnell

Must be yet another bug in 9.1.2 for me as online commissioner. I did have the "just send changed photos" on and it kept transmitting a 30 meg file each time.

As soon as I clicked that off, I have a 3 meg file.

How large are your typical league files?

Do you still have my FTP from earlier where you can look at the previous setting?

My league files are around 9mb with 24 teams, 3 levels of minors and 15 seasons of history.

I'll doublecheck OOTP9 to make sure it's not sending all the photos every time.

rasnell · 07-29-2008, 09:54 PM

3 mb is probably right then because my league is 1929, 16 teams, no minors, inaugural draft (no history) and a reserve roster.

Solonor · 07-29-2008, 10:24 PM

Tested by creating a tiny league with just 4 teams, 3 levels of minors.

Generated player photos for all Major League players.

Generated League File, and it created a zip with 513 files in it, including all the player photos.

Simmed ahead 7 days...no new player photos created...

It still included all the images.

BZ1804

Corsairs · 07-30-2008, 12:35 AM

Ah poop, I had really been hoping that bug had been squashed. Looks like we'll be sticking with the stand-alone picture updates being downloaded through the website. It's not the biggest issue I suppose, but I'll certainly be looking forward to being able to check the "Include new and changed images" button when I send out new league files.

Solonor · 07-30-2008, 12:42 AM

What's weird is that my OOTP8 files don't include all images. So, it was working at some point.

rasnell · 07-30-2008, 05:12 AM

Solonor: I've also posted on the beta forum. Do a test with the new images off. Create and archive the league file and then extract to look inside. It removes everything related to news/html and not just the images folder.

Please tell me that all that other html stuff is already included in the .dat files so my GMs will still see box scores, game logs and all the other stuff shown in the news/html folder. I'm still in my league's inaugural draft so I can't verify about the box scores and game logs but those folders are definitely removed from news/html when you click off the images setting for creating league files in the commissioner settings.

07-28-2008, 03:00 AM	#1
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07-28-2008, 06:54 AM	#2
rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frankfort, Kentucky Posts: 3,746	It is the master folder for your league, including all .dat files, news stories, images, etc. You only need to do this once from the web site. In all future updates of the league file, a GM only needs to go to the manager home page and select the link to update league file in OOTP 09. __________________ Charlie Root won more games for the Cubs than any pitcher (201), yet was remembered for one pitch to Babe Ruth. Find out more about the 1929 World Series in my book, "Root for the Cubs: Charlie Root and the 1929 Chicago Cubs." See the web site at www.rootforthecubs.com. The book is at http://www.amazon.com/Root-Cubs-Char...t+for+the+cubs. Beta tester, OOTP 2007-2023 and iOOTP 2011-2014.

07-28-2008, 12:22 PM	#4
rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frankfort, Kentucky Posts: 3,746	Unless I'm mistaken, it's the same file with updates for the latest round of news, images you might have added, etc. __________________ Charlie Root won more games for the Cubs than any pitcher (201), yet was remembered for one pitch to Babe Ruth. Find out more about the 1929 World Series in my book, "Root for the Cubs: Charlie Root and the 1929 Chicago Cubs." See the web site at www.rootforthecubs.com. The book is at http://www.amazon.com/Root-Cubs-Char...t+for+the+cubs. Beta tester, OOTP 2007-2023 and iOOTP 2011-2014.

07-29-2008, 05:44 AM	#10
rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frankfort, Kentucky Posts: 3,746	By the way, I just turned off photos just to see what a difference that makes. League file is 10 times smaller, much faster upload speeds. It appears that it keeps transmitting the entire photo file rather than any changes. __________________ Charlie Root won more games for the Cubs than any pitcher (201), yet was remembered for one pitch to Babe Ruth. Find out more about the 1929 World Series in my book, "Root for the Cubs: Charlie Root and the 1929 Chicago Cubs." See the web site at www.rootforthecubs.com. The book is at http://www.amazon.com/Root-Cubs-Char...t+for+the+cubs. Beta tester, OOTP 2007-2023 and iOOTP 2011-2014.

07-29-2008, 04:33 PM	#12
rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frankfort, Kentucky Posts: 3,746	Well, thanks to you, Satch, I tried turning photos off and the league file is now 3 meg instead of 30 meg and that really makes a difference with all these league updates every other day. So I'm still learning myself. __________________ Charlie Root won more games for the Cubs than any pitcher (201), yet was remembered for one pitch to Babe Ruth. Find out more about the 1929 World Series in my book, "Root for the Cubs: Charlie Root and the 1929 Chicago Cubs." See the web site at www.rootforthecubs.com. The book is at http://www.amazon.com/Root-Cubs-Char...t+for+the+cubs. Beta tester, OOTP 2007-2023 and iOOTP 2011-2014.

07-28-2008, 12:58 PM	#5
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith Ark. USA Posts: 2,681	Thanks Rasnell. Does the game check to see which available files are newer than the files the owner already has on his machine? And then download the newer ones from the server? It seemed like, in my v8 online leagues, not everything would get updated when I clicked to update my online league files. For example, player photos didn't always seem to update to the latest version. This might have been due to certain settings, either on the league's part, or on mine.

07-28-2008, 03:07 PM	#6
Bristolduke All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,417	I can't speak to the 9 improvements. but in 8 the answer is what the commish exports. Images are a good example. They are large, causing big upload and down loads, don't change very often. In my historical league, I actually have a separate zip file for photos on the web site. They are never pushed as part of the file updates. Box scores are another area. You can determine how far back you are going to export box scores. So again a trade off can be made. Do you export all box scores (even if you are playing in August), or only the box scores for the last sim. If someone skips an update, then they may be missing some of the data (although the HTML pages are still on the site. It is all a trade off of the size of the file you want uploaded/downloaded by managers (and the time it takes to do that) vs having data available for long periods of time.

07-28-2008, 04:22 PM	#7
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith Ark. USA Posts: 2,681	Thanks BD.

07-28-2008, 07:46 PM	#9
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith Ark. USA Posts: 2,681	Thanks again Rasnell, I appreciate your input.

07-29-2008, 01:11 PM	#11
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith Ark. USA Posts: 2,681	Thanks for that info. I'm going to experiment with this, I was asking questions before giving it a try. I suppose I can learn a lot by going through with the process, I thought maybe someone had itemized exactly what happens when this is executed.

07-29-2008, 09:54 PM	#16
rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frankfort, Kentucky Posts: 3,746	3 mb is probably right then because my league is 1929, 16 teams, no minors, inaugural draft (no history) and a reserve roster. __________________ Charlie Root won more games for the Cubs than any pitcher (201), yet was remembered for one pitch to Babe Ruth. Find out more about the 1929 World Series in my book, "Root for the Cubs: Charlie Root and the 1929 Chicago Cubs." See the web site at www.rootforthecubs.com. The book is at http://www.amazon.com/Root-Cubs-Char...t+for+the+cubs. Beta tester, OOTP 2007-2023 and iOOTP 2011-2014.

07-29-2008, 10:24 PM	#17
Solonor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 4,459	Tested by creating a tiny league with just 4 teams, 3 levels of minors. Generated player photos for all Major League players. Generated League File, and it created a zip with 513 files in it, including all the player photos. Simmed ahead 7 days...no new player photos created... It still included all the images. BZ1804 __________________ Solonor's Groovy Computer Baseball League - Making baseball a hobbit since 2003! "Beings will come, Frodo. The one constant through all the years has been baseball. Middle Earth has rolled by like an army of Mumakil. It has been erased like a slate, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Frodo. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... beings will come Frodo. Beings will most definitely come." - Gladden Field of Dreams Last edited by Solonor; 07-29-2008 at 10:25 PM.

07-30-2008, 12:35 AM	#18
Corsairs Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,360	Ah poop, I had really been hoping that bug had been squashed. Looks like we'll be sticking with the stand-alone picture updates being downloaded through the website. It's not the biggest issue I suppose, but I'll certainly be looking forward to being able to check the "Include new and changed images" button when I send out new league files. __________________ Founder of the Planetary Extreme Baseball Alliance (PEBA) Premiere OOTP fictional league where creativity counts and imagination is your only limitation Check for openings - contact us today! Join the PEBA

07-30-2008, 12:42 AM	#19
Solonor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 4,459	What's weird is that my OOTP8 files don't include all images. So, it was working at some point. __________________ Solonor's Groovy Computer Baseball League - Making baseball a hobbit since 2003! "Beings will come, Frodo. The one constant through all the years has been baseball. Middle Earth has rolled by like an army of Mumakil. It has been erased like a slate, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Frodo. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... beings will come Frodo. Beings will most definitely come." - Gladden Field of Dreams

07-30-2008, 05:12 AM	#20
rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frankfort, Kentucky Posts: 3,746	Solonor: I've also posted on the beta forum. Do a test with the new images off. Create and archive the league file and then extract to look inside. It removes everything related to news/html and not just the images folder. Please tell me that all that other html stuff is already included in the .dat files so my GMs will still see box scores, game logs and all the other stuff shown in the news/html folder. I'm still in my league's inaugural draft so I can't verify about the box scores and game logs but those folders are definitely removed from news/html when you click off the images setting for creating league files in the commissioner settings. __________________ Charlie Root won more games for the Cubs than any pitcher (201), yet was remembered for one pitch to Babe Ruth. Find out more about the 1929 World Series in my book, "Root for the Cubs: Charlie Root and the 1929 Chicago Cubs." See the web site at www.rootforthecubs.com. The book is at http://www.amazon.com/Root-Cubs-Char...t+for+the+cubs. Beta tester, OOTP 2007-2023 and iOOTP 2011-2014. Last edited by rasnell; 07-30-2008 at 05:13 AM.