Trades in Online Leauge

bmilito · 03-08-2009, 10:36 PM

Hey all,

First time running an online league and have a question about trading. When do I execute the trade? Before or after importing all the team files? More importantly, if I execute the trade BEFORE importing team files, will I get an error that player X is not on that team?

thanks!

kq76 · 03-08-2009, 11:05 PM

Make the trade after you import, but before you run the sim. If you action the trade before you import, it might screw up the imports.

bmilito · 03-08-2009, 11:37 PM

That answers my question.....thanks kq!

Bluenoser · 03-09-2009, 06:33 AM

Depending on if your owners submit line-up changes, you may want to execute the trade "after" your sim.

gollum65 · 03-10-2009, 07:11 AM

In all the leagues I'm in (4), we complete trades after the days are simmed in game. If you make them at the beginning of the sim a) you would then have to make roster/lineup changes for your GMs, or b) if you leave the traded players in the designated for assignment queue, you're shortening their DFA time without the GMs even having a chance to do anything with the players.

Corsairs · 03-10-2009, 07:48 AM

I execute trades before a sim is run. Owners submit instructions on assignments for traded players which I process as soon as the trade has been completed. I make it clear that I will only assign players involved in trades and that they must leave open spots where they want the newly acquired players inserted (in other words, I won't do any shuffling around for them - it's their responsibility to clear space for the newcomers).

This does take more time, but it also has the advantage of allowing owners access to their new acquisitions right away. It also avoids the potentially sticky problem of a player getting injured during a sim with his old team and then being traded at the conlcusion of the sim as damaged goods.

kq76 · 03-10-2009, 02:00 PM

If a commish executes a trade after the sim I think he's just being lazy. It's not that difficult to take a GM's directions of what to do with those new players. As long as the GM leaves crystal clear instructions it shouldn't be a problem.

Besides, when I trade for a player I want his services right away, especially in a playoff race down the stretch. Then of course nothing is worse than you make a trade for a player then he gets injured or just exhausted playing for the other team.

Maybe there are some (modern?) leagues where there are just too many trades so it really is too much to ask of the commish, but in general trades are pretty sparse except for the sim right before the trade deadline and that's only one sim.

Bluenoser · 03-10-2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kq76

If a commish executes a trade after the sim I think he's just being lazy. It's not that difficult to take a GM's directions of what to do with those new players. As long as the GM leaves crystal clear instructions it shouldn't be a problem.

Besides, when I trade for a player I want his services right away, especially in a playoff race down the stretch. Then of course nothing is worse than you make a trade for a player then he gets injured or just exhausted playing for the other team.

Maybe there are some (modern?) leagues where there are just too many trades so it really is too much to ask of the commish, but in general trades are pretty sparse except for the sim right before the trade deadline and that's only one sim.

I've been in a few leagues where trades are run after the sim, and it has nothing to do with a lazy commish. That's just pointing a finger in the wrong direction imo. Mostly it's because the owners are lazy and don't bother submitting changes or making room in their roster. Both ways work well, but it takes an effort from more than just the commish. I've seen a ton more lazy owners in online leagues than I have Commishes. The majority of the time the Commish is anything but lazy, afterall, they put a lot of effort into starting and running the league to begin with.

kq76 · 03-10-2009, 04:41 PM

True, it certainly works both ways and you're right there are a lot more lazy GMs out there. However, if a GM is lazy, he's probably not trading and, even if he is, a commish can make a rule that if you don't provide clear instructions then he can place the players as best as he sees fit. Maybe some GMs really don't mind having trades executed after a sim, but personally it bugs me and it's difficult for me to see why a commish wouldn't do it before a sim. I'm not just speaking from a GM perspective here either.

Perhaps it really isn't a case of laziness, but for a long time I've been noticing people wanting to become commishes who really don't have, IMO, the necessary computer skills nor OOTP experience to be an effective commish. You shouldn't just have the desire, you should have the time and know-how to be a commish otherwise you'll likely just be souring GMs on the whole experience and not all will try another league. And maybe it's really not the case, but actioning trades after a sim smells to me of not willing to make the league everything it can be.

Now I don't think you should make commishing a second job (it's pretty easy to do that and sooner or later you'll likely burn out), but IMO trades are pretty important to a league's health (a league can get pretty boring real fast if no one is very willing to trade) and the more effective you make trades the more you'll encourage them.

Bluenoser · 03-10-2009, 04:54 PM

Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. I'm in two established leagues and both trade after the sim. Both also will process a trade pre-sim if requested. Both leagues have 2 commishes, and both are very good and dedicated to the league. They are not lazy, or inept at computers, or not wanting to make the leagues the best they can be.

Some Commishes like to run trades after the sim, and it works just fine. Just because you think it's a bad thing, doesn't make it so, and it certainly doesn't make the league less than it can be.

You make it sound like a national crime is being commited for gods sake.

To each his own....or whatever.

kq76 · 03-10-2009, 05:23 PM

Of course not. And without knowing more about the leagues I really couldn't say.

But don't you think most GMs would much rather have the services of the players they trade for asap and not risk those players to injuries playing for another team though? I know this was certainly a contentious issue for a lot of people in a league I was in that did it after a sim for awhile. There are probably a good number who don't really care one way or the other, but if there's plenty of support/reason for one option and not much for the other (is there any reason other than it makes things easier for the commish?) then I don't see why you wouldn't do it. If someone is in a league I also think they probably trust their commish enough to make a good enough roster decision if need be.

Maybe I am making a bigger deal out of it than is necessary, but I'm trying to make the case for something that I think a lot of GMs would prefer, but for one reason or another some commishes just don't do.

(I'll stay out of this thread for awhile. My apologies if I'm coming off too strong.)

03-08-2009, 10:36 PM	#1
bmilito Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 114	Trades in Online Leauge- At what point in the sim cycle are they executed Hey all, First time running an online league and have a question about trading. When do I execute the trade? Before or after importing all the team files? More importantly, if I execute the trade BEFORE importing team files, will I get an error that player X is not on that team? thanks! Last edited by bmilito; 03-08-2009 at 10:44 PM.

03-08-2009, 11:05 PM	#2
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 11,845	Make the trade after you import, but before you run the sim. If you action the trade before you import, it might screw up the imports. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) For Beta/Devs: Full screen (1920x1080)

03-10-2009, 07:48 AM	#6
Corsairs Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,360	I execute trades before a sim is run. Owners submit instructions on assignments for traded players which I process as soon as the trade has been completed. I make it clear that I will only assign players involved in trades and that they must leave open spots where they want the newly acquired players inserted (in other words, I won't do any shuffling around for them - it's their responsibility to clear space for the newcomers). This does take more time, but it also has the advantage of allowing owners access to their new acquisitions right away. It also avoids the potentially sticky problem of a player getting injured during a sim with his old team and then being traded at the conlcusion of the sim as damaged goods. __________________ Founder of the Planetary Extreme Baseball Alliance (PEBA) Premiere OOTP fictional league where creativity counts and imagination is your only limitation Check for openings - contact us today! Join the PEBA

03-10-2009, 02:00 PM	#7
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 11,845	If a commish executes a trade after the sim I think he's just being lazy. It's not that difficult to take a GM's directions of what to do with those new players. As long as the GM leaves crystal clear instructions it shouldn't be a problem. Besides, when I trade for a player I want his services right away, especially in a playoff race down the stretch. Then of course nothing is worse than you make a trade for a player then he gets injured or just exhausted playing for the other team. Maybe there are some (modern?) leagues where there are just too many trades so it really is too much to ask of the commish, but in general trades are pretty sparse except for the sim right before the trade deadline and that's only one sim. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) For Beta/Devs: Full screen (1920x1080)

03-10-2009, 04:41 PM	#9
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 11,845	True, it certainly works both ways and you're right there are a lot more lazy GMs out there. However, if a GM is lazy, he's probably not trading and, even if he is, a commish can make a rule that if you don't provide clear instructions then he can place the players as best as he sees fit. Maybe some GMs really don't mind having trades executed after a sim, but personally it bugs me and it's difficult for me to see why a commish wouldn't do it before a sim. I'm not just speaking from a GM perspective here either. Perhaps it really isn't a case of laziness, but for a long time I've been noticing people wanting to become commishes who really don't have, IMO, the necessary computer skills nor OOTP experience to be an effective commish. You shouldn't just have the desire, you should have the time and know-how to be a commish otherwise you'll likely just be souring GMs on the whole experience and not all will try another league. And maybe it's really not the case, but actioning trades after a sim smells to me of not willing to make the league everything it can be. Now I don't think you should make commishing a second job (it's pretty easy to do that and sooner or later you'll likely burn out), but IMO trades are pretty important to a league's health (a league can get pretty boring real fast if no one is very willing to trade) and the more effective you make trades the more you'll encourage them. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) For Beta/Devs: Full screen (1920x1080)

03-08-2009, 11:37 PM	#3
bmilito Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 114	That answers my question.....thanks kq!

03-09-2009, 06:33 AM	#4
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,250	Depending on if your owners submit line-up changes, you may want to execute the trade "after" your sim.

03-10-2009, 07:11 AM	#5
gollum65 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 925	In all the leagues I'm in (4), we complete trades after the days are simmed in game. If you make them at the beginning of the sim a) you would then have to make roster/lineup changes for your GMs, or b) if you leave the traded players in the designated for assignment queue, you're shortening their DFA time without the GMs even having a chance to do anything with the players.

03-10-2009, 04:54 PM	#10
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,250	Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. I'm in two established leagues and both trade after the sim. Both also will process a trade pre-sim if requested. Both leagues have 2 commishes, and both are very good and dedicated to the league. They are not lazy, or inept at computers, or not wanting to make the leagues the best they can be. Some Commishes like to run trades after the sim, and it works just fine. Just because you think it's a bad thing, doesn't make it so, and it certainly doesn't make the league less than it can be. You make it sound like a national crime is being commited for gods sake. To each his own....or whatever. Last edited by Bluenoser; 03-10-2009 at 04:57 PM.

03-10-2009, 05:23 PM	#11
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 11,845	Of course not. And without knowing more about the leagues I really couldn't say. But don't you think most GMs would much rather have the services of the players they trade for asap and not risk those players to injuries playing for another team though? I know this was certainly a contentious issue for a lot of people in a league I was in that did it after a sim for awhile. There are probably a good number who don't really care one way or the other, but if there's plenty of support/reason for one option and not much for the other (is there any reason other than it makes things easier for the commish?) then I don't see why you wouldn't do it. If someone is in a league I also think they probably trust their commish enough to make a good enough roster decision if need be. Maybe I am making a bigger deal out of it than is necessary, but I'm trying to make the case for something that I think a lot of GMs would prefer, but for one reason or another some commishes just don't do. (I'll stay out of this thread for awhile. My apologies if I'm coming off too strong.) __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) For Beta/Devs: Full screen (1920x1080)