Free Agent Compensation Fixed in OOTP 12?

bp_ · 02-06-2011, 07:54 PM

Will FA compensation be fixed in OOTP 12? Currently it generates too many compensation eligible FAs that do not deserve to be Type A/B.

I have also seen errors where compensation picks have not bee awarded when they should be (just happened to a bunch of us in an online league) and I've also seen awarded compensation picks being lost by a team when they sign a Type A/B pick (that should not happen, they should lose their original 1st, 2nd or whatever round pick, not a pick they received as compensation when a team signed one of their compensation eligible FAs.

I think it would help if you could define some compensation determination items (# of players that can be Type A or B, what stat(s) you want to use for determination, etc)

subtle · 02-08-2011, 01:15 PM

This is important since free agent compensation in OOTP 11 is not useable in online leagues due to this bug.

Tony M · 02-08-2011, 01:30 PM

The bugs regarding protection of picks has been noted and hopefully will be fixed. I've provided documentary proof of each of them.

bp_ · 02-12-2011, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony M

The bugs regarding protection of picks has been noted and hopefully will be fixed. I've provided documentary proof of each of them.

Thanks. One other issue related to this is that compensation for picks that you did not sign from a previous season are not working as it should. When you don't sign a pick you get that pick back the next season but it drops one slot. So, if I didn't sign the #1 overall pick in 2010, in the 2011 season I should get the #2 overall pick, not the #1 overall again (unless my team really sucked again and I had the worst record, then I'd have #1 and #2 overall).

Markus Heinsohn · 02-15-2011, 11:28 AM

Yes.

Bluenoser · 02-15-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Yes.

Tony M · 02-15-2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bp_

Will FA compensation be fixed in OOTP 12? Currently it generates too many compensation eligible FAs that do not deserve to be Type A/B.

I just noticed this top bit now the thread has been replied to by Markus. I think from the counts I've done it's generated correct numbers but there's too many players turning down the arbitration offer and thus becoming a free agent with a compensation type.

Matt Arnold · 02-15-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony M

I just noticed this top bit now the thread has been replied to by Markus. I think from the counts I've done it's generated correct numbers but there's too many players turning down the arbitration offer and thus becoming a free agent with a compensation type.

I've never had one of my players accept arbitration. Thus, for old, useless players, I've never felt bad about offering them arbitration.

Mike D · 02-15-2011, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by UWHabs

I've never had one of my players accept arbitration. Thus, for old, useless players, I've never felt bad about offering them arbitration.

Actually, this past offseason in OOTP 10 I had a type A free agent acept arbitration.

tejdog1 · 02-15-2011, 05:32 PM

I've had a couple, mostly relievers. Ticked me off, I'm a draft pick junkie.

bp_ · 02-15-2011, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony M

I just noticed this top bit now the thread has been replied to by Markus. I think from the counts I've done it's generated correct numbers but there's too many players turning down the arbitration offer and thus becoming a free agent with a compensation type.

Right, rarely does a player accept arbitration and should happen much more when guys put up mediocre numbers.

Also, I'm not sure what the correct count should be for Type A or B but perhaps that is an issue. Is the game giving out a mandatory # of type A and B players? I see plenty of players in my online league getting Type A or B status and I would think they do not deserve it. For example, I've signed guys in midseason after the June draft (so I don't lose a pick) they play for 1/2 a season and put up OK numbers but are Type A eligible again when their stats don't look like Type A stats to me. Is there a bug there?

Tony M · 02-15-2011, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bp_

Right, this rarely happens and should happen much more.

Also, I'm not sure what the correct count should be for Type A or B but perhaps that is an issue. Is the game giving out a mandatory # of type A and B players? I see plenty of players in my online league getting Type A or B status and I would think they do not deserve it. For example, I've signed guys in midseason after the June draft (so I don't lose a pick) they play for 1/2 a season and put up OK numbers but are Type A eligible again when their stats don't look like Type A stats to me. Is there a bug there?

Without knowing what the formula Markus uses for it it's hard to tell. I know he doesn't use Elias formulas as he has said that in the past.

Kanonen80 · 07-27-2011, 07:40 AM

I'm kind of late to the party here, but does OOTP compare players to ALL players at their position league-wide when assigning free agent compensation levels, or does it only compare them against their free agent class?

For example, this post shows that the MLB does a league wide comparison when assigning compensation values. As a result, no free agent catcher will have a Type-A status. I'm not sure I've ever seen an OOTP free agent class that doesn't have a Type-A at any one position, though I could be wrong.

bp_ · 09-17-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bp_

I have also seen errors where compensation picks have not been awarded when they should be (just happened to a bunch of us in an online league)

I just saw this error again in OOTP12 in our online league. One of my Type A FAs was signed by another team in spring training. I got an in-game message saying I was getting compensation but I only got the supplimental round pick, not the Rd2 pick from the team that signed the player (the team's first round pick was protected since he was in the top half of the draft).

actionjackson · 09-17-2011, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bp_

I just saw this error again in OOTP12 in our online league. One of my Type A FAs was signed by another team in spring training. I got an in-game message saying I was getting compensation but I only got the supplimental round pick, not the Rd2 pick from the team that signed the player (the team's first round pick was protected since he was in the top half of the draft).

Ugh.

bp_ · 09-19-2011, 07:22 PM

FYI. Put in a support request to get this looked and and got this response:

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After reading the link you provided, it appears the problem has already been noted and corrected, so I'll go ahead and close this ticket. If you have any questions or objections, please reply to this e-mail.

I guess that means next patch for this bug.

Markus Heinsohn · 09-20-2011, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bp_

I just saw this error again in OOTP12 in our online league. One of my Type A FAs was signed by another team in spring training. I got an in-game message saying I was getting compensation but I only got the supplimental round pick, not the Rd2 pick from the team that signed the player (the team's first round pick was protected since he was in the top half of the draft).

Well, it worked just as it is supposed to be. Since the 1st round pick was protected you get a supplemental first round pick instead.

Tony M · 09-20-2011, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Well, it worked just as it is supposed to be. Since the 1st round pick was protected you get a supplemental first round pick instead.

Markus. If you sign a type A you ALWAYS lose your highest unprotected pick to the team the player left. If your first round pick is protected you lose your second round pick, and so on.

And you ALWAYS get a supplementary 1st round pick when losing a type A

Corsairs · 09-20-2011, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony M

Markus. If you sign a type A you ALWAYS lose your highest unprotected pick to the team the player left. If your first round pick is protected you lose your second round pick, and so on.

And you ALWAYS get a supplementary 1st round pick when losing a type A

Yup, Tony is correct on this. Here's info on how the free agent compensation system works:

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A Class A free agent is ranked in the top 20 percent of players at his position. A team that signs a Type A player gives its top draft pick to the club that the player is leaving; that club also receives a supplemental pick in the "sandwich" round between the first and second rounds.

Markus Heinsohn · 09-20-2011, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony M

Markus. If you sign a type A you ALWAYS lose your highest unprotected pick to the team the player left. If your first round pick is protected you lose your second round pick, and so on.

And you ALWAYS get a supplementary 1st round pick when losing a type A

Right, I was confused. I checked the code, and it works as you describe.

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bp_ Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 2,804	Free Agent Compensation Fixed in OOTP 12? Will FA compensation be fixed in OOTP 12? Currently it generates too many compensation eligible FAs that do not deserve to be Type A/B. I have also seen errors where compensation picks have not bee awarded when they should be (just happened to a bunch of us in an online league) and I've also seen awarded compensation picks being lost by a team when they sign a Type A/B pick (that should not happen, they should lose their original 1st, 2nd or whatever round pick, not a pick they received as compensation when a team signed one of their compensation eligible FAs. I think it would help if you could define some compensation determination items (# of players that can be Type A or B, what stat(s) you want to use for determination, etc) __________________ Commish: Over The Mound Last edited by bp_; 02-06-2011 at 07:55 PM.

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subtle Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 85	This is important since free agent compensation in OOTP 11 is not useable in online leagues due to this bug.

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Tony M Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Here Posts: 6,156	The bugs regarding protection of picks has been noted and hopefully will be fixed. I've provided documentary proof of each of them.

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Kanonen80 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 69	I'm kind of late to the party here, but does OOTP compare players to ALL players at their position league-wide when assigning free agent compensation levels, or does it only compare them against their free agent class? For example, this post shows that the MLB does a league wide comparison when assigning compensation values. As a result, no free agent catcher will have a Type-A status. I'm not sure I've ever seen an OOTP free agent class that doesn't have a Type-A at any one position, though I could be wrong.