Random Debut Lineups

Sparrow · 04-07-2012, 10:38 PM

I'm not sure if historical is the right place for this, but I thought it'd be fun for some people to post their inaugural draft, random debut lineup (pre-any trades or FA signings). Age is probably important to post here as well.

Mine:

Rotation:
John H Murphy 25
John Candelaria 21
Hub Perdue 29
Trevor Cahill 23
Fred Corey 26

Lineup;
Dexter Fowler 25
Billy Goodman 27
Jim Fregosi 21
Yogi Berra 22
Jackie Brandt 21
Charlie Hayes 23
Randy Winn 26
Gil Hodges 18

And for fun, the overall #1 pick of the draft was (not by me): Charlie Sweeney 20

VanillaGorilla · 04-09-2012, 03:37 AM

I love this feature, and I look forward to exploring it. A question for the developers:

Are the players birth years randomized amongst themselves? Meaning are the same number of players born in 1900 generated as being born in 1900, or is the randomization based on when you start the historical replay? Could I start a league in 2011 with random players and get real historic figures generated as being born in 2011 and have them appear circa 2030, or will I get fictional players only?

Since I did not know the answer to this question, and just wanted to get playing(!!) I started in the year 1888. I chose to manage the AAA affiliate of the Cincinnati Red Stockings and let the parent AI do the drafting. Snake draft format was the default, and my team got the second pick, overall. We selected 28 y/o Babe frickin Ruth (1923 season)! With the second pick, 15th overall, we got a 29 year-old Jerry Koosman. Since Koosman's birthday is in December, this is listed as his 30 year-old season on BBREF. Does OOTP pull his 1972 season where he played as a 28 year-old, but is in the record books as a 29 year-old for that year, or is it his 1973 season where he was actually 29 during the season, but is recorded as his 30 year-old season?

My guess is that it is his 30 year-old season, 1973, (played as 29, because of his December birthday, ERA+ of 128) that is generated because that was a much better year than 1972 (where he put up an ERA+ of 81) and is worthy of the second rd selection. However, I am willing to be completely wrong about this.

Doing straight recreation with player development disabled. Am in June of the first year, and Ruth is leading the the league(s) in HRs and RBI.

So, who on Earth would be drafted instead of Ruth so that he fell to me at number 2? The 1884 incarnation of Jim Whitney, who is in the top 5 combined for W, ERA, K, so obviously contending for pitching's Triple Crown. He does lead the combined league in K/BB ratio, for which he had the best number in 1884, but it is at a 3.81 sim figure vs the eye-popping 10.00 put up in his real life's season.

Ages listed are those that match BBREF

C Joe Gunson, 18th rd, 30 (1893)

1B Pete Runnells, 3rd rd, 33 (1961)

2B Bill Sweeney, 6th rd, 25 (1911)

3B Buck Weaver, 5th rd, 30 (1921) Weaver's ML career ended in 1920, but is currently posting a 131 OPS+

SS Sibby Sisty, 12th rd, 28 (1949) Parent AI traded 4 minor leaguers to get Joe Cronin, 5th rd, 28 (1935), so Sibby be sitting

LF Ray Blades, 9th rd, 31 (1928)

CF Johnny Barrett, 11th rd, 30 (1946)...ok, now it looks like that the age field from the player's age on Jan 1st of the year the league is created corresponds to the age in the record book which is actually a year later (unless the player was born on Jan 1st)...Barrett had an OPS+ of 56 in 1946, but in 1945 he had an OPS+ of 111. In the simulation, he has an OPS+ of 149 through 136 PAs...this would be an enormous deviation, even with this few PAs.....not going to edit the previous parts of the post, but I have changed my mind since I began typing....keeping ages/years labeled as previously stated for consistancy, but now think ages and years are reduced by one, each (unless player is born on Jan 1 st)

RF Babe Ruth, 1st rd, 28 (1923) carrying a 185 sim OPS+, and now I think he is actually playing his 1922 season where he posted a 182 that was sandwiched between two seasons of 238...if this is the case, just wait till next year!

SP Jerry Koosman, 2nd rd, 30 (1973) or 29 and 1972...sim ERA+ of 103 splits the difference between the 2, so will probably drop...looking forward to next year! if it is 1972, is interesting that the sim drafted him so high for solid, if not spectacular potential, but great longevity

SP Kenny Rogers, 7th rd, 39 (2004) or 38 and 2003...2004 and 2003 seasons right around 100 ERA+, so no real difference which is in use... slightly outperforming Koosman, thus far

SP Pete Donohue, 14th rd...wether is 28 in 1929, or 29 in 1930, not a lot of real life difference. Holding down a sim ERA+ of 102 through 141 IP

Todd Green was drafted in the 8th rd to be my catcher, but broke a finger early on so Gunson has been catching.

Chappie McFarland, 4th rd, was 26 on draft day and has since turned 27. He didn't play when he was 26 and only pitched 11 innings in 1902 when he was 27. He has been on my AAA team all season and has a 151 ERA+ there.

OK, that was long, but fun for me. Thank you OOTP for putting this random feature in. I am looking forward to seeing how the upcoming seasons develop.

Ignatius J · 04-09-2012, 03:19 PM

Minnesota Twins - 1981

1. Mike E Smith - RF
2. Bill Carrigan - C
3. Kevin Reimer - LF
4. Dale Murphy - CF
5. Troy Tulowitzki - SS
6. Charlie Jamieson - DH
7. Fred Whitfield - 1B
8. Dots Miller - 2B
9. Jackie Brandt - 3B

Pitchers:

1. Bobby Mathews
2. Tommy Bond
3. Warren McLaughlin
4. Johnny Wertz
5. Roger Nelson

I drafted a 19 year old Mickey Mantle 5th overall (Ruth, Gehrig, Killebrew, Ott taken before him, lots of top-end talent in inaugural draft), and he was doing really well, until this:

Brutal.

blubbla · 04-11-2012, 10:43 PM

Baseball Reference's ages are the players age from July 1st of that year.

Sinfulrain · 04-18-2012, 11:53 PM

1. Honus Wagner SS 23
2. Jacoby Ellsbury CF 22
3. Shoeless Joe Jackson RF 25
4. Mike Schmidt 3B 32
5. Boog Powell LF 21
6. Thurman Munson C 27
7. Scott Hatteberg 1B 32
8. Johnny Evers 2B 35

Pitchers:
1. Eddie Cicotte 33
2. Randy Johnson 32
3. Johan Santana 22
4. Ian Kennedy 21
5. Colby Lewis 26

The Game · 04-19-2012, 02:08 AM

Lance Johnson DH 35
Tony Gwynn RF 31
Rogers Hornsby 2b 25
Kirby Puckett CF 24
Mike Schmidt 3B 38
Dick Allen 1B 32
Bo Jackson LF 23
AJ Pierzynski C 30
Craig Grebeck SS 26

Don Newcombe 30
Jim Bullinger 31
Tim Belcher 35
Trevor Cahill 22
Rube Manning 26

Closer Mo Rivera 32

I took Hornsby with the #1 pick passing up on 30 yr old? Sandy Koufax and 31 yr old? Shoeless Joe

Nunyer · 04-25-2012, 11:58 AM

24 team Fictional League, using the starting year / settings from 1974, except for DH which is enabled for all teams.

Typical lineup
Dickie Thon / SS / 23
Greg Gross / RF / 21
Hank Greenberg / LF / 21
Mickey Mantle / CF / 23
Greg Brock / 1B / 26
Ken Boswell / 2B / 23
Cal McVey / C / 24
Peanuts Lowrey / 3B / 33
Emmet Heidrick / DH / 25

Rotation
Freddie Garcia / 26
Scott Stratton / 19
Mike Torrez / 23
Joe Presko / 22
Milo Lockwood / 26

Bullpen
Ray Crone / 22
Jose Melendez / 27
Stan Thomas / 24

I picked up Mantle with the 6th overall pick, although he only appeared in 95 games the first season due to injury. Hank Greenberg was my 2nd round pick, but he's ratings were really weird. He was probably worthy of a 5th or 6th round pick... as his "avoid K" rating was a dismal 2 out of 20 with no potential for improvement. For a HoF player that walked more than struckout in his career, this rubbed me the wrong way... so I fiddled with his ratings a bit and took him in the 2nd round. Being a loyal Tigers fan, I had to play god. He's hit .299 over three seasons with more walks than Ks, so I'm happy with the results.

I probably had better options available at the time for 3B, but how the heck can you pass up a guy named Peanuts?!?

I'm about to start my 4th season, so the lineups have changed a bit... but it's a lot of fun playing with the random debut. Ty Cobb entered the league as a 36 year old, he lasted two seasons before retiring. He hit .252 and came about 3,900 hits short of his real life accomplishments.

04-09-2012, 03:37 AM	#2
VanillaGorilla All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,371 Blog Entries: 2	Initial Draft/ Line-up I love this feature, and I look forward to exploring it. A question for the developers: Are the players birth years randomized amongst themselves? Meaning are the same number of players born in 1900 generated as being born in 1900, or is the randomization based on when you start the historical replay? Could I start a league in 2011 with random players and get real historic figures generated as being born in 2011 and have them appear circa 2030, or will I get fictional players only? Since I did not know the answer to this question, and just wanted to get playing(!!) I started in the year 1888. I chose to manage the AAA affiliate of the Cincinnati Red Stockings and let the parent AI do the drafting. Snake draft format was the default, and my team got the second pick, overall. We selected 28 y/o Babe frickin Ruth (1923 season)! With the second pick, 15th overall, we got a 29 year-old Jerry Koosman. Since Koosman's birthday is in December, this is listed as his 30 year-old season on BBREF. Does OOTP pull his 1972 season where he played as a 28 year-old, but is in the record books as a 29 year-old for that year, or is it his 1973 season where he was actually 29 during the season, but is recorded as his 30 year-old season? My guess is that it is his 30 year-old season, 1973, (played as 29, because of his December birthday, ERA+ of 128) that is generated because that was a much better year than 1972 (where he put up an ERA+ of 81) and is worthy of the second rd selection. However, I am willing to be completely wrong about this. Doing straight recreation with player development disabled. Am in June of the first year, and Ruth is leading the the league(s) in HRs and RBI. So, who on Earth would be drafted instead of Ruth so that he fell to me at number 2? The 1884 incarnation of Jim Whitney, who is in the top 5 combined for W, ERA, K, so obviously contending for pitching's Triple Crown. He does lead the combined league in K/BB ratio, for which he had the best number in 1884, but it is at a 3.81 sim figure vs the eye-popping 10.00 put up in his real life's season. Ages listed are those that match BBREF C Joe Gunson, 18th rd, 30 (1893) 1B Pete Runnells, 3rd rd, 33 (1961) 2B Bill Sweeney, 6th rd, 25 (1911) 3B Buck Weaver, 5th rd, 30 (1921) Weaver's ML career ended in 1920, but is currently posting a 131 OPS+ SS Sibby Sisty, 12th rd, 28 (1949) Parent AI traded 4 minor leaguers to get Joe Cronin, 5th rd, 28 (1935), so Sibby be sitting LF Ray Blades, 9th rd, 31 (1928) CF Johnny Barrett, 11th rd, 30 (1946)...ok, now it looks like that the age field from the player's age on Jan 1st of the year the league is created corresponds to the age in the record book which is actually a year later (unless the player was born on Jan 1st)...Barrett had an OPS+ of 56 in 1946, but in 1945 he had an OPS+ of 111. In the simulation, he has an OPS+ of 149 through 136 PAs...this would be an enormous deviation, even with this few PAs.....not going to edit the previous parts of the post, but I have changed my mind since I began typing....keeping ages/years labeled as previously stated for consistancy, but now think ages and years are reduced by one, each (unless player is born on Jan 1 st) RF Babe Ruth, 1st rd, 28 (1923) carrying a 185 sim OPS+, and now I think he is actually playing his 1922 season where he posted a 182 that was sandwiched between two seasons of 238...if this is the case, just wait till next year! SP Jerry Koosman, 2nd rd, 30 (1973) or 29 and 1972...sim ERA+ of 103 splits the difference between the 2, so will probably drop...looking forward to next year! if it is 1972, is interesting that the sim drafted him so high for solid, if not spectacular potential, but great longevity SP Kenny Rogers, 7th rd, 39 (2004) or 38 and 2003...2004 and 2003 seasons right around 100 ERA+, so no real difference which is in use... slightly outperforming Koosman, thus far SP Pete Donohue, 14th rd...wether is 28 in 1929, or 29 in 1930, not a lot of real life difference. Holding down a sim ERA+ of 102 through 141 IP Todd Green was drafted in the 8th rd to be my catcher, but broke a finger early on so Gunson has been catching. Chappie McFarland, 4th rd, was 26 on draft day and has since turned 27. He didn't play when he was 26 and only pitched 11 innings in 1902 when he was 27. He has been on my AAA team all season and has a 151 ERA+ there. OK, that was long, but fun for me. Thank you OOTP for putting this random feature in. I am looking forward to seeing how the upcoming seasons develop.

04-07-2012, 10:38 PM	#1
Sparrow All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 803	Random Debut Lineups I'm not sure if historical is the right place for this, but I thought it'd be fun for some people to post their inaugural draft, random debut lineup (pre-any trades or FA signings). Age is probably important to post here as well. Mine: Rotation: John H Murphy 25 John Candelaria 21 Hub Perdue 29 Trevor Cahill 23 Fred Corey 26 Lineup; Dexter Fowler 25 Billy Goodman 27 Jim Fregosi 21 Yogi Berra 22 Jackie Brandt 21 Charlie Hayes 23 Randy Winn 26 Gil Hodges 18 And for fun, the overall #1 pick of the draft was (not by me): Charlie Sweeney 20

04-09-2012, 03:19 PM	#3
Ignatius J Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 76	Minnesota Twins - 1981 1. Mike E Smith - RF 2. Bill Carrigan - C 3. Kevin Reimer - LF 4. Dale Murphy - CF 5. Troy Tulowitzki - SS 6. Charlie Jamieson - DH 7. Fred Whitfield - 1B 8. Dots Miller - 2B 9. Jackie Brandt - 3B Pitchers: 1. Bobby Mathews 2. Tommy Bond 3. Warren McLaughlin 4. Johnny Wertz 5. Roger Nelson I drafted a 19 year old Mickey Mantle 5th overall (Ruth, Gehrig, Killebrew, Ott taken before him, lots of top-end talent in inaugural draft), and he was doing really well, until this: Brutal.

04-11-2012, 10:43 PM	#4
blubbla Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Herscher, IL Posts: 2,457	Baseball Reference's ages are the players age from July 1st of that year.

04-18-2012, 11:53 PM	#5
Sinfulrain Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 11 Blog Entries: 1	1. Honus Wagner SS 23 2. Jacoby Ellsbury CF 22 3. Shoeless Joe Jackson RF 25 4. Mike Schmidt 3B 32 5. Boog Powell LF 21 6. Thurman Munson C 27 7. Scott Hatteberg 1B 32 8. Johnny Evers 2B 35 Pitchers: 1. Eddie Cicotte 33 2. Randy Johnson 32 3. Johan Santana 22 4. Ian Kennedy 21 5. Colby Lewis 26

04-19-2012, 02:08 AM	#6
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,936	Lance Johnson DH 35 Tony Gwynn RF 31 Rogers Hornsby 2b 25 Kirby Puckett CF 24 Mike Schmidt 3B 38 Dick Allen 1B 32 Bo Jackson LF 23 AJ Pierzynski C 30 Craig Grebeck SS 26 Don Newcombe 30 Jim Bullinger 31 Tim Belcher 35 Trevor Cahill 22 Rube Manning 26 Closer Mo Rivera 32 I took Hornsby with the #1 pick passing up on 30 yr old? Sandy Koufax and 31 yr old? Shoeless Joe

04-25-2012, 11:58 AM	#7
Nunyer All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Baseball Ned Flanders stares into your soul... Posts: 594	24 team Fictional League, using the starting year / settings from 1974, except for DH which is enabled for all teams. Typical lineup Dickie Thon / SS / 23 Greg Gross / RF / 21 Hank Greenberg / LF / 21 Mickey Mantle / CF / 23 Greg Brock / 1B / 26 Ken Boswell / 2B / 23 Cal McVey / C / 24 Peanuts Lowrey / 3B / 33 Emmet Heidrick / DH / 25 Rotation Freddie Garcia / 26 Scott Stratton / 19 Mike Torrez / 23 Joe Presko / 22 Milo Lockwood / 26 Bullpen Ray Crone / 22 Jose Melendez / 27 Stan Thomas / 24 I picked up Mantle with the 6th overall pick, although he only appeared in 95 games the first season due to injury. Hank Greenberg was my 2nd round pick, but he's ratings were really weird. He was probably worthy of a 5th or 6th round pick... as his "avoid K" rating was a dismal 2 out of 20 with no potential for improvement. For a HoF player that walked more than struckout in his career, this rubbed me the wrong way... so I fiddled with his ratings a bit and took him in the 2nd round. Being a loyal Tigers fan, I had to play god. He's hit .299 over three seasons with more walks than Ks, so I'm happy with the results. I probably had better options available at the time for 3B, but how the heck can you pass up a guy named Peanuts?!? I'm about to start my 4th season, so the lineups have changed a bit... but it's a lot of fun playing with the random debut. Ty Cobb entered the league as a 36 year old, he lasted two seasons before retiring. He hit .252 and came about 3,900 hits short of his real life accomplishments.