International Amateurs Development

Gai1997 · 03-18-2015, 09:25 AM

When I first sign them, they go to my international complex. Do I just leave them there? Will they develop while in the complex? Or do I need to put them in the Rookie Leagues at least?

Basically, is leaving them in the international complex making them do basically no development? Because they don't seem to play any games. I just noticed this today, or I noticed it awhile ago, but just had the idea of promoting them today. (I know I'm dumb) So all this time the past year, have I been destroying my international amateurs by keeping them in the complex for years at a time?

Now I feel dumb...

DustinthePOWERHOUSE · 03-18-2015, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Gai1997

When I first sign them, they go to my international complex. Do I just leave them there? Will they develop while in the complex? Or do I need to put them in the Rookie Leagues at least?

Basically, is leaving them in the international complex making them do basically no development? Because they don't seem to play any games. I just noticed this today, or I noticed it awhile ago, but just had the idea of promoting them today. (I know I'm dumb) So all this time the past year, have I been destroying my international amateurs by keeping them in the complex for years at a time?

Now I feel dumb...

They don't "play games" as in you don't see any stats but they do improve based off their ratings. I usually keep them in there until they're 18 or unless they have outstanding potential and I feel like rookie ball might help them I might slide them in there for a little playing time. Mostly though I leave them in there until they're 18 or so and then promote them when their stats become a little better and it's not just their outstanding potential that makse them attractive for my team.

Raidergoo · 03-18-2015, 09:38 AM

They develop at the complex. You will see this on the development report. I promote to the lowest level of my minors when they can hold their own against their peers.

Assos · 03-18-2015, 09:47 AM

OOTP 20 will have a build an international complex where you will build your own complex like SimCity, plop ballfields, weight rooms, batting cages. That would be sweet!

*I am dreaming here, do not take me serious*

eriqjaffe · 03-18-2015, 10:22 AM

Also, when players turn 20, they are automatically promoted from the International Complex to your lowest level minor league team. It's essentially college for international amateurs.

geoffmatt17 · 03-18-2015, 11:29 AM

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Also, when players turn 20, they are automatically promoted from the International Complex to your lowest level minor league team. It's essentially college for international amateurs.

I almost always keep them in the complex until they get automatically promoted. They will continue to develop there, so why start the clock on their "time as a professional" earlier than you have to? Its free time before he's Rule 5 eligible and minor league FA eligible as well.

jpeters1734 · 03-18-2015, 01:38 PM

What I have always struggled to understand is do they actually develop faster by promoting them to the minors or is it the same?

megamanmatt · 03-18-2015, 01:47 PM

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I almost always keep them in the complex until they get automatically promoted. They will continue to develop there, so why start the clock on their "time as a professional" earlier than you have to? Its free time before he's Rule 5 eligible and minor league FA eligible as well.

Well occasionally there are ML ready Intl. FAs. My 3 time MVP was signed and an int. FA, immediately promoted to AA for about a month then started Sept. with the ML club. If a guy can help my team now he's going to.

Sabres2000 · 03-18-2015, 02:07 PM

What I'm thinking of doing is having two rookie clubs taking my rookies I draft in the mlb draft split them between both rookie clubs and my players who are ready from my complex will join my rookie club after the rookie draft if they are 17 yrs old or older

pjh5165 · 03-18-2015, 02:12 PM

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What I'm thinking of doing is having two rookie clubs taking my rookies I draft in the mlb draft split them between both rookie clubs and my players who are ready from my complex will join my rookie club after the rookie draft if they are 17 yrs old or older

That's exactly what I do as well.

mpejkrm · 03-18-2015, 02:19 PM

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What I have always struggled to understand is do they actually develop faster by promoting them to the minors or is it the same?

I mimic real life and send them into the minors when they hit 17. I've had a ton of success with that. Had a guy who was 86-88 when I signed him and now at age 21 is 97-99.

Sabres2000 · 03-18-2015, 02:24 PM

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I mimic real life and send them into the minors when they hit 17. I've had a ton of success with that. Had a guy who was 86-88 when I signed him and now at age 21 is 97-99.

What's better going 1-100 or stars for potential/ current ability.. Stats I go 1-20 but not sure what's better for CA and PA

jpeters1734 · 03-18-2015, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by megamanmatt

Well occasionally there are ML ready Intl. FAs. My 3 time MVP was signed and an int. FA, immediately promoted to AA for about a month then started Sept. with the ML club. If a guy can help my team now he's going to.

I don't think he's talking about established Int FA. I have never seen a Int amateur FA even close to being ML ready

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What's better going 1-100 or stars for potential/ current ability.. Stats I go 1-20 but not sure what's better for CA and PA

I vote none, but i think he was talking about velocity. I could be wrong though

Sabres2000 · 03-18-2015, 08:35 PM

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I don't think he's talking about established Int FA. I have never seen a Int amateur FA even close to being ML ready

I vote none, but i think he was talking about velocity. I could be wrong though

I ment in general what's better stars or numbers for potential?

megamanmatt · 03-18-2015, 10:53 PM

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I don't think he's talking about established Int FA. I have never seen a Int amateur FA even close to being ML ready

A) I know what he's talking about.

B) I don't know what I'm talking about as the gentleman did sit in the complex for about 4 years before pretty much going straight to the ML. That said I have had a few guys go straight there. Not often but it does happen.

jpeters1734 · 03-19-2015, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by megamanmatt

A) I know what he's talking about.

B) I don't know what I'm talking about as the gentleman did sit in the complex for about 4 years before pretty much going straight to the ML. That said I have had a few guys go straight there. Not often but it does happen.

Oh I thought you were talking about a new 16 year old international amateur FA that are normally revealed on July 1st.

Raidergoo · 03-19-2015, 04:20 PM

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Oh I thought you were talking about a new 16 year old international amateur FA that are normally revealed on July 1st.

Someone pointed out that the correct date was July 2nd, so the date was changed.

BeancheBlanco · 03-19-2015, 07:04 PM

I don't think the specific of international amateurs development has been revealed. My understanding of it (based on what I want it to be lol) is that they do develop in the international amateur system but once their current ability progresses to a minor league level, they develop more efficiently at a higher minor league level. For example, if you have an 18 year old in the amateur level who is ready to play at a AA level, he would develop better if you had him play in AA than keeping him in the international amateur level. The trick is to figure out what their current ability is at and you also have to consider how promoting them to the minor league starts the clock for when they have to enter the 40 man roster.

Hotwheelz · 03-20-2015, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Assos

OOTP 20 will have a build an international complex where you will build your own complex like SimCity, plop ballfields, weight rooms, batting cages. That would be sweet!

*I am dreaming here, do not take me serious*

I was hoping by version 20 we could visit our international complex using VR.

megamanmatt · 03-20-2015, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jpeters1734

Oh I thought you were talking about a new 16 year old international amateur FA that are normally revealed on July 1st.

I thought I was too.

In reality the guy HAD sat in the Int. Complex for 4 years, then made an almost immediate jump to the ML. I thought he went from draft-to-ML.

03-18-2015, 09:25 AM	#1
Gai1997 Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 370	International Amateurs Development When I first sign them, they go to my international complex. Do I just leave them there? Will they develop while in the complex? Or do I need to put them in the Rookie Leagues at least? Basically, is leaving them in the international complex making them do basically no development? Because they don't seem to play any games. I just noticed this today, or I noticed it awhile ago, but just had the idea of promoting them today. (I know I'm dumb) So all this time the past year, have I been destroying my international amateurs by keeping them in the complex for years at a time? Now I feel dumb... Last edited by Gai1997; 03-18-2015 at 09:27 AM.

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Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	They develop at the complex. You will see this on the development report. I promote to the lowest level of my minors when they can hold their own against their peers.

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Assos All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Just on the fair side of the foul pole! Posts: 1,772	OOTP 20 will have a build an international complex where you will build your own complex like SimCity, plop ballfields, weight rooms, batting cages. That would be sweet! I am dreaming here, do not take me serious

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Sabres2000 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,010	What I'm thinking of doing is having two rookie clubs taking my rookies I draft in the mlb draft split them between both rookie clubs and my players who are ready from my complex will join my rookie club after the rookie draft if they are 17 yrs old or older

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BeancheBlanco Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 146	I don't think the specific of international amateurs development has been revealed. My understanding of it (based on what I want it to be lol) is that they do develop in the international amateur system but once their current ability progresses to a minor league level, they develop more efficiently at a higher minor league level. For example, if you have an 18 year old in the amateur level who is ready to play at a AA level, he would develop better if you had him play in AA than keeping him in the international amateur level. The trick is to figure out what their current ability is at and you also have to consider how promoting them to the minor league starts the clock for when they have to enter the 40 man roster.