No team offers a one for one trade?

scottk1983 · 07-08-2015, 10:07 PM

So, I shopped this guy around and not one team was interested in a one for one trade. I actually had no intention to trade him unless I was offered something great, but anytime I take over a new team I shop everyone just to see what might be out there. I've never shopped a player of this quality before, that was making so little, and not received a single offer. Shouldn't someone be interested? My trade settings are Hard/Neutral, and I've tried multiple AI evaluation settings with no luck. Is his defense really so bad that no team is interested? Is there something else I'm missing with this guy?

Sweed · 07-08-2015, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by scottk1983

So, I shopped this guy around and not one team was interested in a one for one trade. I actually had no intention to trade him unless I was offered something great, but anytime I take over a new team I shop everyone just to see what might be out there. I've never shopped a player of this quality before, that was making so little, and not received a single offer. Shouldn't someone be interested? My trade settings are Hard/Neutral, and I've tried multiple AI evaluation settings with no luck. Is his defense really so bad that no team is interested? Is there something else I'm missing with this guy?

I think that's a hard one for the AI to come up with a 1 for 1. Sure a nice bat but can't field at all and has no power. What would you give for that guy? If he could field would you even want to trade him?

24 yr old DH with no power, I don't know if I'd be all that interested. But that could just me being set in my ways. If I could think outside the box and get away from the idea that I expect some power from a DH, he is an exciting offensive player and would be fun to watch play even as a DH. Certainly wouldn't want him playing 3b for me. I'd think about making him a corner OF in spring training. Wouldn't want him out there every day but at least he wouldn't be one dimensional which might add a little value. I'd much rather have 5 range with 11 OF error (assuming you are using the 1-20 scale he's at least above average there for errors) than those IF ratings. Sure the OF range sucks but at least if he gets to it he can probably catch it

The Game · 07-09-2015, 02:05 AM

Scott what part of the season are you in? Have you gotten past the World Series? Depending on the time of the year i can offer 1 start guys to get 1 star guys back with big contracts.

scottk1983 · 07-09-2015, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by The Game

Scott what part of the season are you in? Have you gotten past the World Series? Depending on the time of the year i can offer 1 start guys to get 1 star guys back with big contracts.

Yes, I'm past the World Series and a few weeks into the Free Agency period.

Lukas Berger · 07-09-2015, 04:50 AM

It's possible he's seen as being just too good, and the ai assumes that you'd want more than it would be willing to give, thus it won't even bother making an offer.

ThePretender · 07-09-2015, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

I think that's a hard one for the AI to come up with a 1 for 1. Sure a nice bat but can't field at all and has no power. What would you give for that guy? If he could field would you even want to trade him?

24 yr old DH with no power, I don't know if I'd be all that interested. But that could just me being set in my ways. If I could think outside the box and get away from the idea that I expect some power from a DH, he is an exciting offensive player and would be fun to watch play even as a DH. Certainly wouldn't want him playing 3b for me. I'd think about making him a corner OF in spring training. Wouldn't want him out there every day but at least he wouldn't be one dimensional which might add a little value. I'd much rather have 5 range with 11 OF error (assuming you are using the 1-20 scale he's at least above average there for errors) than those IF ratings. Sure the OF range sucks but at least if he gets to it he can probably catch it

He's a 1B not a DH. Just doesn't have experience at the position.

Sweed · 07-09-2015, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ThePretender

He's a 1B not a DH. Just doesn't have experience at the position.

You could surely do that as one way to try to cover his defensive liability but.... That 7 IF error means he isn't playing IF for me except in extreme emergency. My current third-baseman is rated 12 for IF errors and in 1 run games I cringe on balls hit to him late in the game

I'd go so far as to say if I wasn't in a DH league I wouldn't have him on my team.

Man you have to love that bat and the skills he brings to the plate. Not a trouble maker and is a hard worker to boot. What a terrible problem to have as a manager

ThePretender · 07-09-2015, 10:17 AM

To each his own. There aren't many 1B with quality defensive skills. If he's a 9 at 3B he's far higher than that at 1B, meaning he's likely to be average to slightly above average at 1B.

You can always have a defensive replacement come in late in the game.

Looking at his bat more I don't like the lack of power, and I'd probably stick with him at 3B. If he can maintain 4 WAR while playing 3B I'd live with the defensive issues, and again just carry a defensive backup. Normally I prefer a better defender but if he's able to put up a 4-5 WAR season at third I'd leave him there. No need to move him off the position unless you have another 4 or so WAR guy who can play superior defence.

Raidergoo · 07-09-2015, 10:20 AM

What are his defensive statistics?

SirMichaelJordan · 07-09-2015, 10:43 AM

The AI would be stupid to offer up 1 player for him for the simple fact that the AI would have to give up a similar player.

I've never been a fan of how shop a player works, I think it should return more than 1 for 1 deals. Shop a player is good for starting trade negotiations but as you can see it does't work for this type of player. You would probably have more success in finding a trade partner if you when to all teams and tried to trade him.

Shop a player should work more like "offer to all" in EHM where the AI will offer a player (or multiple and even draft picks) and the user can then negotiate by adding to the trade offer if they like.

In real life MLB, when a team shops a player (more than likely a rebuilding team selling their top player) they aren't looking for one player in return, they are looking for maximum. Trade block and Shop a player needs some work.

smiller · 07-09-2015, 11:03 AM

Agree with Sir Michael. Baseball Mogul had a trade system where you could list one or more players and see what other teams were offering. If not satisfied you could still negotiate from that point. It takes a lot of time to check other teams' needs individually.

RchW · 07-09-2015, 12:10 PM

Shop player is bargain bin diving. The AI uses the responses to see if they can dump bad contracts. Very often they are players to which the AI has signed an extension that it regrets, or, a declining vet. Shopping a good player is unlikely to generate much of a response.

If you want to trade a good player, look for what you need and short list players on a "trade" tab you create. Then you can "trade for player" using the trade screen to mix and match. Having players shortlisted generates news about them so you can see what's happening.

It's not intended to be easy.

Assos · 07-09-2015, 12:58 PM

Exactly, the way I use the hop a player is to see if there is a good quick fit bite. If I am trading for like to like players, I look at the standings in season and scan their roster. Hot stove is a different story. I seek out value so maybe it is not a good thing that I hit ever club and look at my wholes and I seek where to fill them. Hours upon hours of attempting to trade in my favor.... I love it!

rstoomeyii · 07-09-2015, 01:07 PM

I use the shop a player option to see who is interested. I know the 1 for 1 is never a good option. Recently I was trying to move a veteran 32yo 1B who was due 19M in the final year of his deal. The only offers i received were for older vets with longer contracts. But i at least knew these teams were interested in the player. I usually pick out a prospect in their system that i like and I'll offer up the player along with a couple of my own prospects that I'm not in love with but are similarly rated and that usually gets it done

Dyzalot · 07-09-2015, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Shop player is bargain bin diving. The AI uses the responses to see if they can dump bad contracts. Very often they are players to which the AI has signed an extension that it regrets, or, a declining vet. Shopping a good player is unlikely to generate much of a response.

If you want to trade a good player, look for what you need and short list players on a "trade" tab you create. Then you can "trade for player" using the trade screen to mix and match. Having players shortlisted generates news about them so you can see what's happening.

It's not intended to be easy.

I hate using the regular trade screen. It is so tedious. I like to get a full season simmed in a couple of days so spending several hours trying to make trades happen doesn't work well for that goal. Not sure why "it isn't intended to be easy" is supposed to be something to be proud of.

RchW · 07-09-2015, 01:48 PM

Roster moves and trades have a cascade effect especially in the offseason as FA hit the market. I have a recent example. It took me over 30 days in-game time to deal two OF that were out of options. One was a current 2XGG at CF. Shop player gave the usual list of suspects, just not enough to pull the trigger. Over the 30 days I shortlisted the best (IMO) of the shopped offers from them and from other players that I shopped.

Early in FA a major international signing fixed CF. Now I had a glut of OF. That changed my needs. I took less for the GG CF but got back a decent bench OF that could be stored in AAA. I added a player to the trade of the second OF to obtain essentially a hybrid of the two players I just traded. I still have an extra OF but one can play infield and who knows what injuries will occur. The acquired player (shortlisted) was not on the original list of either OF when they were shopped throughout the month.

RchW · 07-09-2015, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyzalot

I hate using the regular trade screen. It is so tedious. I like to get a full season simmed in a couple of days so spending several hours trying to make trades happen doesn't work well for that goal. Not sure why "it isn't intended to be easy" is supposed to be something to be proud of.

LOL who said that?

Not me, so stop putting words in my mouth. I'm quite sure you understood exactly what I said.

Dyzalot · 07-09-2015, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

LOL who said that?

Not me, so stop putting words in my mouth. I'm quite sure you understood exactly what I said.

The "not intended to be easy" followed by the smiley gave me that impression. I'm quite sure you don't understand how your post can be interpreted.

RchW · 07-09-2015, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyzalot

The "not intended to be easy" followed by the smiley gave me that impression. I'm quite sure you don't understand how your post can be interpreted.

Yeah I don't understand how that sentence in a thread about trading needs interpretation unless some one has an agenda. Did you read the OP? It was a direct response.

I don't want to add to the hijack of this thread anymore. I respectfully ask you to start another thread or use PM.

I'd like to discuss trading.

Dyzalot · 07-09-2015, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Yeah I don't understand how that sentence in a thread about trading needs interpretation unless some one has an agenda. Did you read the OP? It was a direct response.

I don't want to add to the hijack of this thread anymore. I respectfully ask you to start another thread or use PM.

I'd like to discuss trading.

I am totally lost. I thought I did understand exactly what you said. I thought you were giving the impression that it was a "badge of honor" that it isn't easy. But then you start attacking me by claiming I am being disingenuous? So who has the agenda? The one interpreting a post (and yeah, maybe I did misinterpret it) or the one telling another member they are being untruthful in their post?

This game is the best game I have ever played in my life but this board seems to have a few sanctimonious boobs that assume anyone with any criticisms at all is attacking the game or the creators of the game itself. I just don't get it. Unbelievable how hostile some members of this community can be at times.

And now I'm done in this thread so it doesn't get derailed any further. Feel free to PM me or find me on Twitter.

07-08-2015, 10:07 PM	#1
scottk1983 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 81	No team offers a one for one trade? So, I shopped this guy around and not one team was interested in a one for one trade. I actually had no intention to trade him unless I was offered something great, but anytime I take over a new team I shop everyone just to see what might be out there. I've never shopped a player of this quality before, that was making so little, and not received a single offer. Shouldn't someone be interested? My trade settings are Hard/Neutral, and I've tried multiple AI evaluation settings with no luck. Is his defense really so bad that no team is interested? Is there something else I'm missing with this guy? Attached Images Last edited by scottk1983; 07-08-2015 at 11:51 PM.

07-09-2015, 02:05 AM	#3
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07-09-2015, 10:17 AM	#8
ThePretender All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,323	To each his own. There aren't many 1B with quality defensive skills. If he's a 9 at 3B he's far higher than that at 1B, meaning he's likely to be average to slightly above average at 1B. You can always have a defensive replacement come in late in the game. Looking at his bat more I don't like the lack of power, and I'd probably stick with him at 3B. If he can maintain 4 WAR while playing 3B I'd live with the defensive issues, and again just carry a defensive backup. Normally I prefer a better defender but if he's able to put up a 4-5 WAR season at third I'd leave him there. No need to move him off the position unless you have another 4 or so WAR guy who can play superior defence. Last edited by ThePretender; 07-09-2015 at 10:18 AM.

07-09-2015, 10:43 AM	#10
SirMichaelJordan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,716	No team offers a one for one trade? The AI would be stupid to offer up 1 player for him for the simple fact that the AI would have to give up a similar player. I've never been a fan of how shop a player works, I think it should return more than 1 for 1 deals. Shop a player is good for starting trade negotiations but as you can see it does't work for this type of player. You would probably have more success in finding a trade partner if you when to all teams and tried to trade him. Shop a player should work more like "offer to all" in EHM where the AI will offer a player (or multiple and even draft picks) and the user can then negotiate by adding to the trade offer if they like. In real life MLB, when a team shops a player (more than likely a rebuilding team selling their top player) they aren't looking for one player in return, they are looking for maximum. Trade block and Shop a player needs some work. Last edited by SirMichaelJordan; 07-09-2015 at 10:46 AM.

07-09-2015, 12:10 PM	#12
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Shop player is bargain bin diving. The AI uses the responses to see if they can dump bad contracts. Very often they are players to which the AI has signed an extension that it regrets, or, a declining vet. Shopping a good player is unlikely to generate much of a response. If you want to trade a good player, look for what you need and short list players on a "trade" tab you create. Then you can "trade for player" using the trade screen to mix and match. Having players shortlisted generates news about them so you can see what's happening. It's not intended to be easy. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

07-09-2015, 04:50 AM	#5
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 21,359	It's possible he's seen as being just too good, and the ai assumes that you'd want more than it would be willing to give, thus it won't even bother making an offer.

07-09-2015, 10:20 AM	#9
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	What are his defensive statistics?

07-09-2015, 11:03 AM	#11
smiller Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Pittsboro NC Posts: 430	Agree with Sir Michael. Baseball Mogul had a trade system where you could list one or more players and see what other teams were offering. If not satisfied you could still negotiate from that point. It takes a lot of time to check other teams' needs individually.

07-09-2015, 12:58 PM	#13
Assos All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Just on the fair side of the foul pole! Posts: 1,772	Exactly, the way I use the hop a player is to see if there is a good quick fit bite. If I am trading for like to like players, I look at the standings in season and scan their roster. Hot stove is a different story. I seek out value so maybe it is not a good thing that I hit ever club and look at my wholes and I seek where to fill them. Hours upon hours of attempting to trade in my favor.... I love it!

07-09-2015, 01:07 PM	#14
rstoomeyii Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Currently Baltimore originally Boston Posts: 97	I use the shop a player option to see who is interested. I know the 1 for 1 is never a good option. Recently I was trying to move a veteran 32yo 1B who was due 19M in the final year of his deal. The only offers i received were for older vets with longer contracts. But i at least knew these teams were interested in the player. I usually pick out a prospect in their system that i like and I'll offer up the player along with a couple of my own prospects that I'm not in love with but are similarly rated and that usually gets it done

07-09-2015, 01:48 PM	#16
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Roster moves and trades have a cascade effect especially in the offseason as FA hit the market. I have a recent example. It took me over 30 days in-game time to deal two OF that were out of options. One was a current 2XGG at CF. Shop player gave the usual list of suspects, just not enough to pull the trigger. Over the 30 days I shortlisted the best (IMO) of the shopped offers from them and from other players that I shopped. Early in FA a major international signing fixed CF. Now I had a glut of OF. That changed my needs. I took less for the GG CF but got back a decent bench OF that could be stored in AAA. I added a player to the trade of the second OF to obtain essentially a hybrid of the two players I just traded. I still have an extra OF but one can play infield and who knows what injuries will occur. The acquired player (shortlisted) was not on the original list of either OF when they were shopped throughout the month. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit