trading difficulty

BaseballLife322 · 08-03-2015, 06:06 PM

What do you guys normally have your trade difficulty to? also what do you put your trading preference to?

For trading difficulty at first I put it to hard... but I notice it's almost IMPOSSIBLE to trade.. especially trying to trade off veterans when you aren't in the playoff race, it makes it almost impossible to rebuild... but then average makes it a little easier.. I don't want it to be REAL easy to where I can rip the AI off... but I also don't want to have it be impossible

do you guys usually keep it at hard, and see what type of moves you can make? or do you put it on average and just give yourself house rules so you don't rip the AI off?

RchW · 08-03-2015, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BaseballLife322

What do you guys normally have your trade difficulty to? also what do you put your trading preference to?

For trading difficulty at first I put it to hard... but I notice it's almost IMPOSSIBLE to trade.. especially trying to trade off veterans when you aren't in the playoff race, it makes it almost impossible to rebuild... but then average makes it a little easier.. I don't want it to be REAL easy to where I can rip the AI off... but I also don't want to have it be impossible

do you guys usually keep it at hard, and see what type of moves you can make? or do you put it on average and just give yourself house rules so you don't rip the AI off?

Hard, favor prospects.

BaseballLife322 · 08-03-2015, 06:34 PM

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Hard, favor prospects.

I might try that, right now I have it hard, neutral... does hard,favor prospects makes it impossible for rebuilding teams to trade veterans for prospects?

thanks for the answer!

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 08-03-2015, 06:46 PM

I go back and forth between "average" and "hard" a lot. Sometimes I'll set up a deal on "average" (it's a little easier to figure out who the AI will actually consider trading) but think it looks a little lopsided and force myself to close it on "hard."

Sometimes even then, the deal still works as-is...

BaseballLife322 · 08-03-2015, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cinnamon J. Scudworth

I go back and forth between "average" and "hard" a lot. Sometimes I'll set up a deal on "average" (it's a little easier to figure out who the AI will actually consider trading) but think it looks a little lopsided and force myself to close it on "hard."

Sometimes even then, the deal still works as-is...

That's actually not a bad idea

darkcloud4579 · 08-03-2015, 06:58 PM

I do the between average and hard. I favor veterans bc teams making deals are gonna deal vets for prospects but in general I do neutral.

BaseballLife322 · 08-03-2015, 07:07 PM

Also, I have another question for anyone who may know.. when looking to trade.. What does the AI for whichever team look at? do they look at the player you are looking to trade them age,contract,ratings and stats from this season?

IsaacR · 08-03-2015, 07:11 PM

Average. I tried very hard - too hard. Moved to hard - just took too long and I usually backed out anyway. Average has gotten a lot better in 16, and mimics RL pretty well.
I use neutral, changing it to favor veterans/prospects every now and then.

BaseballLife322 · 08-03-2015, 07:17 PM

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Average. I tried very hard - too hard. Moved to hard - just took too long and I usually backed out anyway. Average has gotten a lot better in 16, and mimics RL pretty well.
I use neutral, changing it to favor veterans/prospects every now and then.

Sounds what I'm going through.... hard is what it says it is.. hard.. especially if you're a rebuilding team, it's almost impossible to get a few good prospects for a solid veteran player... it's like I don't want to rip the computer off.. but trying to trade vets you don't need anymore for prospects(even low rated prospects) is hard(but I guess if they calculate things like age/contract it makes sense)

RchW · 08-03-2015, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BaseballLife322

I might try that, right now I have it hard, neutral... does hard,favor prospects makes it impossible for rebuilding teams to trade veterans for prospects?

thanks for the answer!

No idea. I take the position that less info makes the playing field level. I change the setting when I get frustrated or on a whim.

I had to go and look to make the post.

SirMichaelJordan · 08-03-2015, 08:49 PM

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I might try that, right now I have it hard, neutral... does hard,favor prospects makes it impossible for rebuilding teams to trade veterans for prospects?

thanks for the answer!

I use Very Hard & Heavily favor prospects and I was able to rebuild by dumping players (to teams that are in win now mode) for prospects so It def possible on a lower level. Just don't expect to wheel and deal whenever you feel like trading.

I should repeat that on a harder level do not expect to make a trade whenever you feel like it.

A trade may get rejected today but that same trade may be accepted a month or even a week later.

mking55 · 08-03-2015, 09:23 PM

Very hard and heavily favour prospects.

Anything less than very hard makes it too easy to rip the AI off and I don't have enough discipline to control myself from doing that. Also, I love trading so if I have to monitor what I do, I don't enjoy the game.

The heavily favour prospects is a bit of a downer at times. I can offer a fabulous deal (for example 30 year old Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale for 22-year-old Curt Blefary). The AI will look at age and age only and reject the trade. I find it doesn't evaluate the talent of the players and the position the team to be traded with is in (win now, rebuilding, etc.). It's annoying and absurd.

If the team I'm trading with is in a pennant race to win now, it shouldn't matter that my setting is heavily favour prospects. That should be thrown out the door based on where the team is in the standings and it's chances of winning.

I make a few good trades but if an impartial arbitrator was looking at the trades, they would say I lost. I stockpile talent and trade it for what I want. I find it's the only way I can make the trades I want. I would like to have a "neutral" setting that took into account the team I was trading with was in. If the team I'm trading with wants to "win now" then they should grab Drysdale and Koufax while wearing masks over their faces.

Trading used to be a big joke but it's not anymore. I would like to see it worked on to figure in what a team needs and the value of the players. I think it places too much emphasis on age. I've seen the AI not trade a crappy young guy for a damn fine veteran. Silly.

Like I said it's much better than the dark, old days, but I have a feeling (and I could be wrong) that it's not being worked on anymore and it needs some serious improvement (like I mentioned above).

Please don't tell me to monitor myself. That would be like playing Monopoly but I can't buy Boardwalk and Park Place because I'm already winning. I'm sure these clever lads could work this out. Hell, if they asked I test for them, I would in a flash. I've spent too many hours to count over the years evaluating trading. I'm not bragging (really), but I do know of what I speak.

SirMichaelJordan · 08-03-2015, 09:36 PM

^^^ most times you have to include money in those deals.

BaseballLife322 · 08-03-2015, 10:04 PM

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I use Very Hard & Heavily favor prospects and I was able to rebuild by dumping players (to teams that are in win now mode) for prospects so It def possible on a lower level. Just don't expect to wheel and deal whenever you feel like trading.

I should repeat that on a harder level do not expect to make a trade whenever you feel like it.

A trade may get rejected today but that same trade may be accepted a month or even a week later.

In your opinion, when it's set to hard/very hard with favoring prospects.. when do you think the best time to make offers are? around June-July?

Déjà Bru · 08-03-2015, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cinnamon J. Scudworth

I go back and forth between "average" and "hard" a lot. Sometimes I'll set up a deal on "average" (it's a little easier to figure out who the AI will actually consider trading) but think it looks a little lopsided and force myself to close it on "hard."

Sometimes even then, the deal still works as-is...

I am leaning back toward "Average" more often these days. "Average" used to be too easy but the developer toughened it up a bit a little while ago, I believe.

"Hard" is not realistic the other way; that is, the AI will normally not trade unless it can rip you off. That gets tiresome after a while; it gets a bit ridiculous when the AI wants your number one starter and another player plus even more in exchange for a journeyman infielder.

Another thing I will do is to set it to "Hard" and play it that way most of the time but I will force a trade that I think is fair AND which helps both teams.

It seems that the right setting is somewhere in between "Average" and "Hard" and, that being the case, one must be flexible by playing on both settings as the situation demands.

BaseballLife322 · 08-03-2015, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

I am leaning back toward "Average" more often these days. "Average" used to be too easy but the developer toughened it up a bit a little while ago, I believe.

"Hard" is not realistic the other way; that is, the AI will normally not trade unless it can rip you off. That gets tiresome after a while; it gets a bit ridiculous when the AI wants your number one starter and another player plus even more in exchange for a journeyman infielder.

Another thing I will do is to set it to "Hard" and play it that way most of the time but I will force a trade that I think is fair AND which helps both teams.

It seems that the right setting is somewhere in between "Average" and "Hard" and, that being the case, one must be flexible by playing on both settings as the situation demands.

I notice the same thing... The AI wanted my best prospect for a number 4-5 starter... I'm starting to do what you guys said, basically go back and forth.

SirMichaelJordan · 08-03-2015, 11:06 PM

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In your opinion, when it's set to hard/very hard with favoring prospects.. when do you think the best time to make offers are? around June-July?

Yup and in the offseason.

Hoiles · 08-04-2015, 12:44 AM

I do very hard/neutral. It's unrealistically unbalanced in the computer's favor 95% of the time and impossible to trade for prospects, and it seems that the AI won't ever trade someone with a minor league contract to you. That said, you can still make a good trade for your team if you spend the time to look for players that are undervalued by their teams (incl using the shop around function). In one year, I as able to trade a mid 30's impeding free agent 4th outfielder for a mid 20's 30 HR hitter making less money; in another deal I dealt another utility player and middling prospect for a young, 4 star pitcher.

Hoiles · 08-04-2015, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

I use Very Hard & Heavily favor prospects and I was able to rebuild by dumping players (to teams that are in win now mode) for prospects so It def possible on a lower level. Just don't expect to wheel and deal whenever you feel like trading.

I should repeat that on a harder level do not expect to make a trade whenever you feel like it.

A trade may get rejected today but that same trade may be accepted a month or even a week later.

Is that even possible on very hard? I'm on very hard/neutral and it seems impossible to trade for any prospects at all. The computer even refuses trades of their random1 star prospects for my 5 star prospects.

Déjà Bru · 08-04-2015, 02:52 PM

No offense, and maybe I am cranky today (well, no doubt about it, really), but I wonder whether folks who are playing on Very Hard are really trying to trade very hard. Or whether they care about realistic gameplay, which this setting is not. Or whether they are masochists. Or whether they just say they are using the Very Hard setting.

08-03-2015, 06:06 PM	#1
BaseballLife322 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 199	trading difficulty What do you guys normally have your trade difficulty to? also what do you put your trading preference to? For trading difficulty at first I put it to hard... but I notice it's almost IMPOSSIBLE to trade.. especially trying to trade off veterans when you aren't in the playoff race, it makes it almost impossible to rebuild... but then average makes it a little easier.. I don't want it to be REAL easy to where I can rip the AI off... but I also don't want to have it be impossible do you guys usually keep it at hard, and see what type of moves you can make? or do you put it on average and just give yourself house rules so you don't rip the AI off?

08-03-2015, 06:46 PM	#4
Cinnamon J. Scudworth All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,119	I go back and forth between "average" and "hard" a lot. Sometimes I'll set up a deal on "average" (it's a little easier to figure out who the AI will actually consider trading) but think it looks a little lopsided and force myself to close it on "hard." Sometimes even then, the deal still works as-is... __________________ "Sometimes, this is like going to a grocery store. You’ve got a list until you get to the check-out stand. And then you start reading People magazine, and all this other [stuff] ends up in the basket." -Sandy Alderson on the MLB offseason Last edited by Cinnamon J. Scudworth; 08-03-2015 at 06:47 PM.

08-03-2015, 06:58 PM	#6
darkcloud4579 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,670	I do the between average and hard. I favor veterans bc teams making deals are gonna deal vets for prospects but in general I do neutral. __________________ ------ My Mods OOTP Advanced Stats & DFS Suite Managerial Strategy Pack Competitive Balance Tax Calculator Major League Women's Baseball (OOTP24) quickstart Indian Premier League \| 300+ years of baseball quickstart \| Expatriate League quickstart \| Off-Field Injuries Update \| Women's Name File for OOTP \| ---- Dynasty classics: Centurion comes to OOTP5 \| DC Moneyball Dynasty (2004)

08-03-2015, 07:11 PM	#8
IsaacR Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Bowie, Maryland Posts: 464	Average. I tried very hard - too hard. Moved to hard - just took too long and I usually backed out anyway. Average has gotten a lot better in 16, and mimics RL pretty well. I use neutral, changing it to favor veterans/prospects every now and then. __________________ The Oriole Way - My Dynasty as the Orioles GM Online Leagues: SBL - Colorado Rockies PATP - Montreal Royals

08-03-2015, 09:23 PM	#12
mking55 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boading, China Posts: 1,249	Very hard and heavily favour prospects. Anything less than very hard makes it too easy to rip the AI off and I don't have enough discipline to control myself from doing that. Also, I love trading so if I have to monitor what I do, I don't enjoy the game. The heavily favour prospects is a bit of a downer at times. I can offer a fabulous deal (for example 30 year old Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale for 22-year-old Curt Blefary). The AI will look at age and age only and reject the trade. I find it doesn't evaluate the talent of the players and the position the team to be traded with is in (win now, rebuilding, etc.). It's annoying and absurd. If the team I'm trading with is in a pennant race to win now, it shouldn't matter that my setting is heavily favour prospects. That should be thrown out the door based on where the team is in the standings and it's chances of winning. I make a few good trades but if an impartial arbitrator was looking at the trades, they would say I lost. I stockpile talent and trade it for what I want. I find it's the only way I can make the trades I want. I would like to have a "neutral" setting that took into account the team I was trading with was in. If the team I'm trading with wants to "win now" then they should grab Drysdale and Koufax while wearing masks over their faces. Trading used to be a big joke but it's not anymore. I would like to see it worked on to figure in what a team needs and the value of the players. I think it places too much emphasis on age. I've seen the AI not trade a crappy young guy for a damn fine veteran. Silly. Like I said it's much better than the dark, old days, but I have a feeling (and I could be wrong) that it's not being worked on anymore and it needs some serious improvement (like I mentioned above). Please don't tell me to monitor myself. That would be like playing Monopoly but I can't buy Boardwalk and Park Place because I'm already winning. I'm sure these clever lads could work this out. Hell, if they asked I test for them, I would in a flash. I've spent too many hours to count over the years evaluating trading. I'm not bragging (really), but I do know of what I speak. __________________ Why do you live in Boading? Somebody has to. http://adventuresinjurong.wordpress.com/

08-03-2015, 07:07 PM	#7
BaseballLife322 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 199	Also, I have another question for anyone who may know.. when looking to trade.. What does the AI for whichever team look at? do they look at the player you are looking to trade them age,contract,ratings and stats from this season?

08-03-2015, 09:36 PM	#13
SirMichaelJordan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,718	^^^ most times you have to include money in those deals.

08-04-2015, 12:44 AM	#18
Hoiles All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 574	I do very hard/neutral. It's unrealistically unbalanced in the computer's favor 95% of the time and impossible to trade for prospects, and it seems that the AI won't ever trade someone with a minor league contract to you. That said, you can still make a good trade for your team if you spend the time to look for players that are undervalued by their teams (incl using the shop around function). In one year, I as able to trade a mid 30's impeding free agent 4th outfielder for a mid 20's 30 HR hitter making less money; in another deal I dealt another utility player and middling prospect for a young, 4 star pitcher.

08-04-2015, 02:52 PM	#20
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 11,644	No offense, and maybe I am cranky today (well, no doubt about it, really), but I wonder whether folks who are playing on Very Hard are really trying to trade very hard. Or whether they care about realistic gameplay, which this setting is not. Or whether they are masochists. Or whether they just say they are using the Very Hard setting. __________________ - Bru