When will regular sports games reach OOTP's level of depth?

vigilante225 · 08-11-2015, 12:34 AM

I just played MLB The Show for the first time in a while, and I realized how much I missed actually playing games with the team I built, but at the same time I was disappointed with the lack of depth in its franchise mode, especially when compared to OOTP. There's nothing I'd like to see more than a game that combines The Show's gameplay with OOTP's complexity, level of detail and immersion - and i would like to believe that it's just a matter of when, not if, a game like that will be made. What do you guys think? Will it be 10 years? 20 years? Never?

tcoots423 · 08-11-2015, 12:37 AM

For right now im ok with them being two different games. Im ok with MLB The Show caring about graphics and realism and gameplay and adding what else they can into Franchise as far as waivers and all. They do follow the rules too. I love OOTP and its a SIMULATION. If you could combine the two itd be fun.. but if you play on EASY... like you can on the Show you wouldnt get realistic stats.. thats why I buy both and play both.. LOVE BOTH!

battists · 08-11-2015, 07:25 AM

Honestly? Won't happen, in my opinion. The mass market has no need for the level of flexibility and configurability Markus has built. It's simply not good business for EA to sink the amount of resources it would require into building an OOTP like engine. It's not going to result in any appreciable change in sales for them given their target audience, IMHO.

vigilante225 · 08-11-2015, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by battists

Honestly? Won't happen, in my opinion. The mass market has no need for the level of flexibility and configurability Markus has built. It's simply not good business for EA to sink the amount of resources it would require into building an OOTP like engine. It's not going to result in any appreciable change in sales for them given their target audience, IMHO.

Yeah that's a good point - it's all about the "Ultimate Team"-type modes these days because that's where the money's at. That being said, I'm hoping that one day technology will make integration of the two types of games easy enough to be worth it....like maybe EA or Sony or 2K buys out OOTP and just sticks it right into one of their games.

battists · 08-11-2015, 09:52 AM

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maybe EA or Sony or 2K buys out OOTP and just sticks it right into one of their games.

oh God no!

Assos · 08-11-2015, 10:03 AM

And those games are designed for "fun". They want you to be able to take say the Phillies of this year and have a shot. Having features like OOTP in a game like that would make the game too hard for the gamers out there.

Elektranaut · 08-11-2015, 01:06 PM

What if Marcus bought The Show and plumped it into OOTP.

Assos · 08-11-2015, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Elektranaut

What if Marcus bought The Show and plumped it into OOTP.

I think Marcus would kick back relax, hire some more coders and make OOTP perfect if he had that kind of money to buy The Show.

tcoots423 · 08-12-2015, 12:09 AM

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oh God no!

HAHAHA.. And I agree. EA, 2K, and the rest of the money hungry who cares what we put out because they will buy it would ruin OOTP.. MLB the SHOW is great AS IT IS...

OOTP IS AMAZING and keeps getting better.. let them be seperate....

Mr. Marlin · 08-12-2015, 08:36 AM

OOTP and games like The Show really are apples and oranges. They are both fruit but the similarity ends there. Because of it's big graphics and "in-game" realism it will always be more attractive to the casual gamer and fan. OOTP appeals to more of a niche crowd. Although that niche gets bigger every year. Most of the gamers EA appeals to don't know what OPS, FIP, WAR, wOBA mean. Or if they do it never occurs to them to consider them in trades. OOTP players do though!

Friendly_Beaver · 08-12-2015, 10:45 AM

Just a thought on this, I don't know if anyone remember NHL simulator from the 90s, it was a OOTP like hockey sim however it had the ability for you to transfer the data (rosters etc) into a program called ice hockey where you could play the game, then transfer the details of said game back into the simulator for accurate record keeping. Imagine a deal like that between OOTP and the Show....

vigilante225 · 08-12-2015, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Friendly_Beaver

Just a thought on this, I don't know if anyone remember NHL simulator from the 90s, it was a OOTP like hockey sim however it had the ability for you to transfer the data (rosters etc) into a program called ice hockey where you could play the game, then transfer the details of said game back into the simulator for accurate record keeping. Imagine a deal like that between OOTP and the Show....

That would be perfect! It would make everyone happy because it's an additional option that people could choose to ignore if they prefer! The problem is it wouldnt be enough of a moneymaker for the big sports game companies to do it.

Friendly_Beaver · 08-13-2015, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by vigilante225

That would be perfect! It would make everyone happy because it's an additional option that people could choose to ignore if they prefer! The problem is it wouldnt be enough of a moneymaker for the big sports game companies to do it.

I know

, but I can dream right?

OzzieFan · 08-13-2015, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Friendly_Beaver

I know

, but I can dream right?

hey what about Sega? That would be perfect, right? /s

battists · 08-13-2015, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Friendly_Beaver

I know

, but I can dream right?

Speaking of dreaming, when is the OOTP football game coming out again?

OzzieFan · 08-13-2015, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by battists

Speaking of dreaming, when is the OOTP football game coming out again?

I hope its great, but I assume it will have growing pains like the hockey game.

battists · 08-13-2015, 01:49 PM

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I hope its great, but I assume it will have growing pains like the hockey game.

Of course. The sooner we get version 1, though, the sooner we can get to version 2.

(I know the gentleman they hired had medical problems.)

OzzieFan · 08-13-2015, 01:59 PM

Hey great minds think alike... and regardless of my old non-updated signature... I am working right down the road from you in West Chester nowadays.

battists · 08-13-2015, 02:00 PM

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Hey great minds think alike... and regardless of my old non-updated signature... I am working right down the road from you in West Chester nowadays.

Oh yeah? Where?

OzzieFan · 08-13-2015, 02:02 PM

Consulting for evil corp (Comcast).

08-11-2015, 12:34 AM	#1
vigilante225 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 127	When will regular sports games reach OOTP's level of depth? I just played MLB The Show for the first time in a while, and I realized how much I missed actually playing games with the team I built, but at the same time I was disappointed with the lack of depth in its franchise mode, especially when compared to OOTP. There's nothing I'd like to see more than a game that combines The Show's gameplay with OOTP's complexity, level of detail and immersion - and i would like to believe that it's just a matter of when, not if, a game like that will be made. What do you guys think? Will it be 10 years? 20 years? Never? __________________ My OOTP 15 Padres Rebuild Dynasty My OOTP 17 Tigers Rebuild Dynasty My OOTP 20 Reds Rebuild Dynasty

08-11-2015, 12:37 AM	#2
tcoots423 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: KS Posts: 197	For right now im ok with them being two different games. Im ok with MLB The Show caring about graphics and realism and gameplay and adding what else they can into Franchise as far as waivers and all. They do follow the rules too. I love OOTP and its a SIMULATION. If you could combine the two itd be fun.. but if you play on EASY... like you can on the Show you wouldnt get realistic stats.. thats why I buy both and play both.. LOVE BOTH! __________________ "Greg Maddux could put a baseball through a life saver if you asked him." - Joe Morgan

08-11-2015, 07:25 AM	#3
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	Honestly? Won't happen, in my opinion. The mass market has no need for the level of flexibility and configurability Markus has built. It's simply not good business for EA to sink the amount of resources it would require into building an OOTP like engine. It's not going to result in any appreciable change in sales for them given their target audience, IMHO. __________________ Come check out my dynasty report, Funky Times!

08-11-2015, 10:03 AM	#6
Assos All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Just on the fair side of the foul pole! Posts: 1,772	And those games are designed for "fun". They want you to be able to take say the Phillies of this year and have a shot. Having features like OOTP in a game like that would make the game too hard for the gamers out there.

08-11-2015, 01:06 PM	#7
Elektranaut Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 361	What if Marcus bought The Show and plumped it into OOTP.

08-12-2015, 08:36 AM	#10
Mr. Marlin All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,274	OOTP and games like The Show really are apples and oranges. They are both fruit but the similarity ends there. Because of it's big graphics and "in-game" realism it will always be more attractive to the casual gamer and fan. OOTP appeals to more of a niche crowd. Although that niche gets bigger every year. Most of the gamers EA appeals to don't know what OPS, FIP, WAR, wOBA mean. Or if they do it never occurs to them to consider them in trades. OOTP players do though!

08-12-2015, 10:45 AM	#11
Friendly_Beaver Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 86	Just a thought on this, I don't know if anyone remember NHL simulator from the 90s, it was a OOTP like hockey sim however it had the ability for you to transfer the data (rosters etc) into a program called ice hockey where you could play the game, then transfer the details of said game back into the simulator for accurate record keeping. Imagine a deal like that between OOTP and the Show....

08-13-2015, 01:59 PM	#18
OzzieFan Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Exton, PA Posts: 248	Hey great minds think alike... and regardless of my old non-updated signature... I am working right down the road from you in West Chester nowadays.

08-13-2015, 02:02 PM	#20
OzzieFan Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Exton, PA Posts: 248	Consulting for evil corp (Comcast).