Anothe PH Failure

Dodger1 · 08-21-2015, 10:23 PM

I'm in Sept, after the call ups. Team I'm playing against has 18 pitchers and 22 players. It's the 8th inning, I'm leading 4-1. Their pitcher spot is up to lead off. The friggin' relief pitcher BATS FOR HIMSELF. With at least 12 fresh pitchers, and 12 possible phs. Strikes out on 3 pitches. C'mon guys, this has to get fixed.

andjbock · 08-21-2015, 11:28 PM

Did he get on base?

redranger · 08-22-2015, 11:20 AM

Agreed. I am seeing this too and it drives me nuts. My settings are to replace with PH on highest level and it does not do it when clearly there is cause to with available pitchers and pinch hitters

Really hope this gets looked at

Padreman · 08-22-2015, 03:30 PM

In having relivers get between 10-15 abats per season multiple ones. They should be getting 1-3 or none at all. Plus shortage of relivers is not an issue in my games I have a 27 man roster with 13 man staff

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 08-22-2015, 03:36 PM

I wonder if this has anything to do with the "use of relievers" setting. A new level was added in OOTP 16 ("extreme") as the modern default. I'm using that and I haven't really noticed any weird relief pitcher batting appearances yet. Maybe on one of the lower settings the AI thinks it has to get multiple innings out of the pitcher before replacing him.

RchW · 08-22-2015, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

In having relivers get between 10-15 abats per season multiple ones. They should be getting 1-3 or none at all. Plus shortage of relivers is not an issue in my games I have a 27 man roster with 13 man staff

This is what I get. Victor Gomez is the first AL pitcher on the list and it seems he made 2 starts in NL home interleague games. Vosquez is the next AL pitcher. Looks pretty good.

bwburke94 · 08-22-2015, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

This is what I get. Victor Gomez is the first AL pitcher on the list and it seems he made 2 starts in NL home interleague games. Vosquez is the next AL pitcher. Looks pretty good.

Filtering by GS = 0 might be a good idea here.

RchW · 08-22-2015, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bwburke94

Filtering by GS = 0 might be a good idea here.

The complaint was about RP getting too many AB.

Dodger1 · 08-23-2015, 03:06 PM

Hey Rich, just to clarify. I don't see ros getting that many abs. It's WHEN they bat that bothers me. Like I said, ros hitting in blow outs or to save the pen I can live with, and sometimes do myself. A poor hitting (almost non-existent hitting) rp leading off the 8th down 3 with 10 available phs and 12 available ros (we're is Sept, remember), now THAT bugs me.

Dodger1 · 08-23-2015, 03:07 PM

Rps nor ros. Damn auto-correct.

RchW · 08-23-2015, 03:34 PM

Yeah I replied to Padreman re his issue with RP getting too many AB.

My dual point was that if AL RP are getting 3-4 AB per season then it was unlikely that the AB's were at the wrong time.

I think your complaint is legit, but we may differ on whether one game is enough to call for a fix. I'd be in the 5-10 game range. Ten games is 0.2%.

Another thing to consider. After calling up your extra players did you reset the depth chart to include them? The AI is like Tommy (I hope you get the reference).

Unless you tell it it has all these extra players it may not use them.

I reset depth charts (and pitcher roles) hundreds of times in-season for that reason.

Dodger1 · 08-23-2015, 09:53 PM

Well, that was the computers team, playing against the one I manage. I assume when they call guys up, they reset rotations. Also, while I understand your hesitance, I have seen such occurrences at least 5 times this season. That's only the games I manage. I have no idea how often it might happen in games the computer sims, because I don't save their box scores.

Dodger1 · 08-24-2015, 11:57 PM

Hey Rich, I started a new season. First game, I'm leading 6-1 in the 7th, they let their relief pitcher (contact 17/100) hit. With a full bullpen totally rested. Then, 3rd game I'm leading 9-2 in the 9th, they get guys on 2nd and 3rd, one out, and again let their relief pitcher hit. This is really ruining the reLity for me.

08-21-2015, 10:23 PM	#1
Dodger1 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 137	Anothe PH Failure I'm in Sept, after the call ups. Team I'm playing against has 18 pitchers and 22 players. It's the 8th inning, I'm leading 4-1. Their pitcher spot is up to lead off. The friggin' relief pitcher BATS FOR HIMSELF. With at least 12 fresh pitchers, and 12 possible phs. Strikes out on 3 pitches. C'mon guys, this has to get fixed.

08-22-2015, 03:30 PM	#4
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,138	In having relivers get between 10-15 abats per season multiple ones. They should be getting 1-3 or none at all. Plus shortage of relivers is not an issue in my games I have a 27 man roster with 13 man staff __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors

08-22-2015, 03:36 PM	#5
Cinnamon J. Scudworth All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,119	I wonder if this has anything to do with the "use of relievers" setting. A new level was added in OOTP 16 ("extreme") as the modern default. I'm using that and I haven't really noticed any weird relief pitcher batting appearances yet. Maybe on one of the lower settings the AI thinks it has to get multiple innings out of the pitcher before replacing him. __________________ "Sometimes, this is like going to a grocery store. You’ve got a list until you get to the check-out stand. And then you start reading People magazine, and all this other [stuff] ends up in the basket." -Sandy Alderson on the MLB offseason

08-23-2015, 03:34 PM	#11
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Yeah I replied to Padreman re his issue with RP getting too many AB. My dual point was that if AL RP are getting 3-4 AB per season then it was unlikely that the AB's were at the wrong time. I think your complaint is legit, but we may differ on whether one game is enough to call for a fix. I'd be in the 5-10 game range. Ten games is 0.2%. Another thing to consider. After calling up your extra players did you reset the depth chart to include them? The AI is like Tommy (I hope you get the reference). Unless you tell it it has all these extra players it may not use them. I reset depth charts (and pitcher roles) hundreds of times in-season for that reason. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

08-21-2015, 11:28 PM	#2
andjbock Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Somerville, MA, USA Bats: Right Throws: Left Posts: 3,637	Did he get on base?

08-22-2015, 11:20 AM	#3
redranger All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Birmingham, Alabama Posts: 573	Agreed. I am seeing this too and it drives me nuts. My settings are to replace with PH on highest level and it does not do it when clearly there is cause to with available pitchers and pinch hitters Really hope this gets looked at

08-23-2015, 03:06 PM	#9
Dodger1 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 137	Hey Rich, just to clarify. I don't see ros getting that many abs. It's WHEN they bat that bothers me. Like I said, ros hitting in blow outs or to save the pen I can live with, and sometimes do myself. A poor hitting (almost non-existent hitting) rp leading off the 8th down 3 with 10 available phs and 12 available ros (we're is Sept, remember), now THAT bugs me.

08-23-2015, 03:07 PM	#10
Dodger1 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 137	Rps nor ros. Damn auto-correct.

08-23-2015, 09:53 PM	#12
Dodger1 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 137	Well, that was the computers team, playing against the one I manage. I assume when they call guys up, they reset rotations. Also, while I understand your hesitance, I have seen such occurrences at least 5 times this season. That's only the games I manage. I have no idea how often it might happen in games the computer sims, because I don't save their box scores.

08-24-2015, 11:57 PM	#13
Dodger1 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 137	Hey Rich, I started a new season. First game, I'm leading 6-1 in the 7th, they let their relief pitcher (contact 17/100) hit. With a full bullpen totally rested. Then, 3rd game I'm leading 9-2 in the 9th, they get guys on 2nd and 3rd, one out, and again let their relief pitcher hit. This is really ruining the reLity for me.