For the love of God..........

facelessman · 08-24-2015, 04:49 PM

Can someone explain why Madison Bumgarner is having such a struggle in this game, please!

Kent814 · 08-24-2015, 05:31 PM

What do you mean by sucks

ScottM816 · 08-24-2015, 05:40 PM

He went 7-6 with a 2.98 ERA in Year 1, Year 2 he's 5-5, with a 2.71 ERA with 118 Ks in 109.2 IP. Not to mention he's already hitting .258 with 2 HRs in Year 2.

facelessman · 08-24-2015, 05:46 PM

Here's his stats for the season (Year 1):

In 12 starts, hes:

1-6
4.86 ERA
OAVG .286

Those stats above are a microcosm of his season so far, VERY unrealistic with his ratings. He's had one shutout against a Braves team that isn't real good at this point.

I believe he's had ONE game that he went deep pitch/inning-wise, and has given up at least 4 runs or more every start.

That's NOT Madison Bumgarner what-so-ever.

facelessman · 08-24-2015, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottM816

He went 7-6 with a 2.98 ERA in Year 1, Year 2 he's 5-5, with a 2.71 ERA with 118 Ks in 109.2 IP. Not to mention he's already hitting .258 with 2 HRs in Year 2.

I hear you, those are the numbers I would expect from him, this season seems to be an aberration, I hope.

battists · 08-24-2015, 06:32 PM

So, requisite post here of "small sample size." This is hardly enough reason to say that he sucks in this game. He's having a rough start to the season, clearly, but what about some of the other stats?

What are his BABIP and FIP? Either of those could help indicate whether he is suffering from bad luck or bad fielding behind him. I did a quick sim of MLB through June and he is 5-7 with a 4.30 ERA. However, he has a 3.47 FIP, which indicates that poor fielding behind him is costing him almost a run a game. That FIP seems pretty close to in line with how he performed the previous three seasons.

Other than that, I would say you should just play out the string and hope he turns it around.

Honorable_Pawn · 08-24-2015, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by battists

"small sample size."

This.

Replay the same season 1,000 times then report back your findings.

philthepat · 08-24-2015, 07:14 PM

I'm too lazy to check the exact numbers, but Clayton Kershaw had a pretty rough (by his standards) start to the 'real life' season this year.

Basically... it happens.

facelessman · 08-24-2015, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

This.

Replay the same season 1,000 times then report back your findings.

Classy response.

facelessman · 08-24-2015, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by battists

So, requisite post here of "small sample size." This is hardly enough reason to say that he sucks in this game. He's having a rough start to the season, clearly, but what about some of the other stats?

What are his BABIP and FIP? Either of those could help indicate whether he is suffering from bad luck or bad fielding behind him. I did a quick sim of MLB through June and he is 5-7 with a 4.30 ERA. However, he has a 3.47 FIP, which indicates that poor fielding behind him is costing him almost a run a game. That FIP seems pretty close to in line with how he performed the previous three seasons.

Other than that, I would say you should just play out the string and hope he turns it around.

I appreciate your constructive response!

BABIP .344
FIP .320

NYYANKS98 · 08-24-2015, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by philthepat

I'm too lazy to check the exact numbers, but Clayton Kershaw had a pretty rough (by his standards) start to the 'real life' season this year.

Basically... it happens.

This is exactly what I was going to respond with. Clayton Kershaw was 3-3 with an ERA of just under 4 in his first 10 games this year and is already back down to a 2 ERA 15 starts later. It's very premature for you to have said he "sucks in this game" in just over 1/3 of a season, especially without looking at this peripheral stats. A big key I've noticed to having good pitching is improving defense up the middle. Find high range guys at the shortstop, centerfield and catcher positions (and to a lesser extend 2B) and your ERA vs. FIP should be much closer, if not actually getting to a FIP higher than your ERA

Honorable_Pawn · 08-24-2015, 07:41 PM

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This is Oscar Tellez in my fictional PBA. If he was a real life player he would beat-up Madison Bumgarner in elementary school and take his lunch money. Then in High School he would sleep with Bumgarner's prom date.

Look at that 1963 start. Am I panicking? Am I about to trade him away?

Nope. He'll turn it around. He'll be alright. Then he'll beat-up Bumgarner's agent...for fun.

facelessman · 08-24-2015, 07:56 PM

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This is Oscar Tellez in my fictional PBA. If he was a real life player he would beat-up Madison Bumgarner in elementary school and take his lunch money. Then in High School he would sleep with Bumgarner's prom date.

Look at that 1963 start. Am I panicking? Am I about to trade him away?

Nope. He'll turn it around. He'll be alright. Then he'll beat-up Bumgarner's agent...for fun.

Okay, so i'm going to assume you're a smart ass, and that's okay. I'm not panicking, and i'm not consider trading either.

When I look at the rest of my starters, it's a bit confusing, but yeah, I get it, and I never lost touch with "reality".

Thanks for the "comparison".

facelessman · 08-24-2015, 08:03 PM

Original post edited.

Honorable_Pawn · 08-24-2015, 08:05 PM

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facelessman · 08-24-2015, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

This.

Replay the same season 1,000 times then report back your findings.

First impressions...................

Honorable_Pawn · 08-24-2015, 08:18 PM

fair enough.

Kent814 · 08-24-2015, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by facelessman

First impressions...................

For first impressions, your not setting a good one. Everyone here is trying to help you answer your questions, and you have called them smart asses.

facelessman · 08-24-2015, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kent814

For first impressions, your not setting a good one. Everyone here is trying to help you answer your questions, and you have called them smart asses.

I'll agree to disagree.............as you say, everyone has helped me, and i've been respectful in my posts since I joined, and have sent quite a few "thanks" to members.

Honorable_Pawn's response was non-constructive, and quite frankly obtuse.

Honorable_Pawn · 08-24-2015, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kent814

For first impressions, your not setting a good one. Everyone here is trying to help you answer your questions, and you have called them smart asses.

FWIW...my response was kinda crappy. I was being lazy.

08-24-2015, 04:49 PM	#1
facelessman Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 96	For the love of God.......... Can someone explain why Madison Bumgarner is having such a struggle in this game, please! __________________ Proud Member of the Professional Bowlers Association "I want a refund" = "I'm not willing to explore the learning curve, I need instant gratification". Last edited by facelessman; 08-24-2015 at 08:03 PM.

08-24-2015, 05:46 PM	#4
facelessman Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 96	Here's his stats for the season (Year 1): In 12 starts, hes: 1-6 4.86 ERA OAVG .286 Those stats above are a microcosm of his season so far, VERY unrealistic with his ratings. He's had one shutout against a Braves team that isn't real good at this point. I believe he's had ONE game that he went deep pitch/inning-wise, and has given up at least 4 runs or more every start. That's NOT Madison Bumgarner what-so-ever. __________________ Proud Member of the Professional Bowlers Association "I want a refund" = "I'm not willing to explore the learning curve, I need instant gratification". Last edited by facelessman; 08-24-2015 at 05:48 PM.

08-24-2015, 06:32 PM	#6
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	So, requisite post here of "small sample size." This is hardly enough reason to say that he sucks in this game. He's having a rough start to the season, clearly, but what about some of the other stats? What are his BABIP and FIP? Either of those could help indicate whether he is suffering from bad luck or bad fielding behind him. I did a quick sim of MLB through June and he is 5-7 with a 4.30 ERA. However, he has a 3.47 FIP, which indicates that poor fielding behind him is costing him almost a run a game. That FIP seems pretty close to in line with how he performed the previous three seasons. Other than that, I would say you should just play out the string and hope he turns it around. __________________ Come check out my dynasty report, Funky Times!

08-24-2015, 07:41 PM	#12
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	This is Oscar Tellez in my fictional PBA. If he was a real life player he would beat-up Madison Bumgarner in elementary school and take his lunch money. Then in High School he would sleep with Bumgarner's prom date. Look at that 1963 start. Am I panicking? Am I about to trade him away? Nope. He'll turn it around. He'll be alright. Then he'll beat-up Bumgarner's agent...for fun. __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam.

08-24-2015, 08:03 PM	#14
facelessman Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 96	Original post edited. __________________ Proud Member of the Professional Bowlers Association "I want a refund" = "I'm not willing to explore the learning curve, I need instant gratification".

08-24-2015, 05:31 PM	#2
Kent814 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: San Diego Posts: 650	What do you mean by sucks

08-24-2015, 05:40 PM	#3
ScottM816 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 130	He went 7-6 with a 2.98 ERA in Year 1, Year 2 he's 5-5, with a 2.71 ERA with 118 Ks in 109.2 IP. Not to mention he's already hitting .258 with 2 HRs in Year 2.

08-24-2015, 07:14 PM	#8
philthepat Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dover, UK Posts: 279	I'm too lazy to check the exact numbers, but Clayton Kershaw had a pretty rough (by his standards) start to the 'real life' season this year. Basically... it happens.

08-24-2015, 08:05 PM	#15
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	... __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam. Last edited by Honorable_Pawn; 08-24-2015 at 08:08 PM.

08-24-2015, 08:18 PM	#17
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	fair enough. __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam.