Releasing Player question

hit_or_miss54680 · 09-22-2015, 02:17 PM

I tried searching for this info but didn't really find anything conclusive. Looking for help figuring out my best option!

I over paid two years ago for a SP who was really a MR. I'm currently paying him 19Mil a year. For 4 more years. And he's just filling a garbage spot in the rotation. Worst yet, he's taking something like a 1/4 of my budget since my payroll has shrunk from a couple bad seasons. That brings me to my question.

When could I/should I cut this player?

I know i'm going to be on the hook for the money, but would cutting him now before the season ends help me get ANY budget space back for the next year? Right now I have $0 for free agent spending but a lot of room in money for extensions. Should I cut him now, cut him after I receive next year's budget information (in the off season), or just let him eat innings until he's entirely useless? He has pitched 100 innings this year and gotten 1.6WAR, 3w/8L, and a 6.54 ERA.

This one bad decision is sinking my entire team. I can't do this for 4 more years. Help! NOTE This is technically OOTP15, if that changes how OOTP works, but I think 15/16's financials work basically the same for this.

BIG17EASY · 09-22-2015, 02:54 PM

I can't answer your question regarding finances because I've never released a guy with that type of contract, so I don't pay close attention to when it's best to release someone.

But my advice would be to put him in a relief role and see how he does. His numbers in previous seasons aren't bad (albeit not worthy of the salary you're paying him). His BABIP is astronomical in the current season and is bound to decrease, which will benefit your pitcher. I'd also be curious to see if he gets rocked once he hits the 5th or 6th innings. A stamina of 4 is a bit low for a starter.

I think you'll get some value out of him as a reliever, although not equal to what you're paying him.

RchW · 09-22-2015, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

I can't answer your question regarding finances because I've never released a guy with that type of contract, so I don't pay close attention to when it's best to release someone.

But my advice would be to put him in a relief role and see how he does. His numbers in previous seasons aren't bad (albeit not worthy of the salary you're paying him). His BABIP is astronomical in the current season and is bound to decrease, which will benefit your pitcher. I'd also be curious to see if he gets rocked once he hits the 5th or 6th innings. A stamina of 4 is a bit low for a starter.

I think you'll get some value out of him as a reliever, although not equal to what you're paying him.

Agreed if the scale is 10. Based on that assumption making him a reliever may bump his stuff to 7. A 7-8-6 long reliever with those pitches has some value unless more ratings decline is seen. If there is room I'd keep him for now.

What is the game date?

Westheim · 09-22-2015, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

What is the game date?

Probably August 4, 2031

Matt Arnold · 09-22-2015, 03:26 PM

As for the finances question:
-If you can afford the entirety of his contract in your budget room at the time you release him, then you are given the option to pay his entire future salary immediately.
-If you cannot afford him, then when you release him his salary will get spread over the remaining seasons.

If you can afford it, releasing him BEFORE getting your new budget essentially means that if your owner was going to take that cash, then it will instead go towards paying him, which generally speaking will be better for you. But if you can't afford it all (which is what it sounds like is happening in your case), then it won't make a difference.

As for what you should do, I would recommend as the above guys say. While he's certainly way overpaid, he's not really a net negative overall - that .390 BABIP he's running this year will improve, and he looks like he still should be a 6 inning per start/4 ERA sort of player. So he should be fine as a #4-5 guy, or if you have other guys you want to start instead, should be decent enough out of the bullpen. His expectation is bullpen, so moving him there might even improve his morale if his season performance picks up a little bit.

RchW · 09-22-2015, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

Probably August 4, 2031

LOL I saw that and didn't process the zero. Good catch!

kingcharlesxii · 09-22-2015, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

As for what you should do, I would recommend as the above guys say. While he's certainly way overpaid, he's not really a net negative overall - that .390 BABIP he's running this year will improve, and he looks like he still should be a 6 inning per start/4 ERA sort of player. So he should be fine as a #4-5 guy, or if you have other guys you want to start instead, should be decent enough out of the bullpen. His expectation is bullpen, so moving him there might even improve his morale if his season performance picks up a little bit.

Yeah, like Matt said that's not a sustainable BABIP and I'd add HR rate with that movement rating. Get a decent infield defense behind him, throw him on a lower pitch count and he should be a
decent to good 5-6 inning starter. There's no reason to release him yet when you have that big a financial commitment and can likely get some use out of him.

Majdar · 09-23-2015, 03:55 AM

Honestly, if he is ruining your team at this point, his contract has no solution to it, i'd just commish release him.... Not saying "cheating" is the way to fix problems, god knows my current save is full of them (problems) . But your also there to have fun. Just take it as a learning experience and don't do it again

hluraven · 09-23-2015, 04:00 AM

I'm probably missing something obvious, but why can't you trade him away? The AI is usually willing to take bad contracts if you take back a bad contract (especially one that has a higher yearly amount but less years, so less in total), you may have to sweeten with a prospect the AI likes, but it's usually worth it.

Depending on trade settings, you may even be able to dump him for very little.

hit_or_miss54680 · 09-23-2015, 04:23 PM

To answer both of the bottom questions: Because this is a 30 man online league. I've been waiving him all year in the hopes that some poor sucker would take him but it hasn't happened, nor do I expect it to. That's also why he's so unhappy of course.

I'm leaning toward keeping him. I'll be rebuilding for a few years after some bad decisions pretty much ruined my chances at competing. I've traded away anybody with any talent for younger talent. So his contract will be coming off the books around the time I need to be good again probably.

09-22-2015, 02:17 PM	#1
hit_or_miss54680 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Redmond Wa Posts: 123	Releasing Player question I tried searching for this info but didn't really find anything conclusive. Looking for help figuring out my best option! I over paid two years ago for a SP who was really a MR. I'm currently paying him 19Mil a year. For 4 more years. And he's just filling a garbage spot in the rotation. Worst yet, he's taking something like a 1/4 of my budget since my payroll has shrunk from a couple bad seasons. That brings me to my question. When could I/should I cut this player? I know i'm going to be on the hook for the money, but would cutting him now before the season ends help me get ANY budget space back for the next year? Right now I have $0 for free agent spending but a lot of room in money for extensions. Should I cut him now, cut him after I receive next year's budget information (in the off season), or just let him eat innings until he's entirely useless? He has pitched 100 innings this year and gotten 1.6WAR, 3w/8L, and a 6.54 ERA. This one bad decision is sinking my entire team. I can't do this for 4 more years. Help! NOTE This is technically OOTP15, if that changes how OOTP works, but I think 15/16's financials work basically the same for this. __________________ Visit my family friendly webcomic: http://www.stairwellonline.com Last edited by hit_or_miss54680; 09-22-2015 at 02:20 PM.

09-22-2015, 02:54 PM	#2
BIG17EASY Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,291	I can't answer your question regarding finances because I've never released a guy with that type of contract, so I don't pay close attention to when it's best to release someone. But my advice would be to put him in a relief role and see how he does. His numbers in previous seasons aren't bad (albeit not worthy of the salary you're paying him). His BABIP is astronomical in the current season and is bound to decrease, which will benefit your pitcher. I'd also be curious to see if he gets rocked once he hits the 5th or 6th innings. A stamina of 4 is a bit low for a starter. I think you'll get some value out of him as a reliever, although not equal to what you're paying him. Last edited by BIG17EASY; 09-22-2015 at 02:55 PM.

09-23-2015, 04:23 PM	#10
hit_or_miss54680 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Redmond Wa Posts: 123	To answer both of the bottom questions: Because this is a 30 man online league. I've been waiving him all year in the hopes that some poor sucker would take him but it hasn't happened, nor do I expect it to. That's also why he's so unhappy of course. I'm leaning toward keeping him. I'll be rebuilding for a few years after some bad decisions pretty much ruined my chances at competing. I've traded away anybody with any talent for younger talent. So his contract will be coming off the books around the time I need to be good again probably. __________________ Visit my family friendly webcomic: http://www.stairwellonline.com

09-22-2015, 03:26 PM	#5
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,005	As for the finances question: -If you can afford the entirety of his contract in your budget room at the time you release him, then you are given the option to pay his entire future salary immediately. -If you cannot afford him, then when you release him his salary will get spread over the remaining seasons. If you can afford it, releasing him BEFORE getting your new budget essentially means that if your owner was going to take that cash, then it will instead go towards paying him, which generally speaking will be better for you. But if you can't afford it all (which is what it sounds like is happening in your case), then it won't make a difference. As for what you should do, I would recommend as the above guys say. While he's certainly way overpaid, he's not really a net negative overall - that .390 BABIP he's running this year will improve, and he looks like he still should be a 6 inning per start/4 ERA sort of player. So he should be fine as a #4-5 guy, or if you have other guys you want to start instead, should be decent enough out of the bullpen. His expectation is bullpen, so moving him there might even improve his morale if his season performance picks up a little bit.

09-23-2015, 03:55 AM	#8
Majdar Bat Boy Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 13	Honestly, if he is ruining your team at this point, his contract has no solution to it, i'd just commish release him.... Not saying "cheating" is the way to fix problems, god knows my current save is full of them (problems) . But your also there to have fun. Just take it as a learning experience and don't do it again

09-23-2015, 04:00 AM	#9
hluraven Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 355	I'm probably missing something obvious, but why can't you trade him away? The AI is usually willing to take bad contracts if you take back a bad contract (especially one that has a higher yearly amount but less years, so less in total), you may have to sweeten with a prospect the AI likes, but it's usually worth it. Depending on trade settings, you may even be able to dump him for very little.