Top free agents demanding too much $?

Ron. · 03-18-2016, 10:19 PM

This seems to be happening quite often in 17 so far: top free agent will demand something absurd like $40m/10years. AI will completely ignore them. Their demands scale back slowly but they are still ignored until their demands plummet when preseason hits. After a few days into the preseason their new baseline demand will be only 1 season at a fraction of their original price.

I'm in the preseason of 2020 right now and I see Yasiel Puig signed for 1yr/13.8m after coming off a 6 win season. Nolan Arenado signed for 1yr/12.6m coming off 5.4 wins and a gold glove. Paul Goldschmidt signed for 1yr/10.6m coming off of 5+ wins every year of my sim. This after 2-3 win players are signing long-term $20m+/yr deals just days after free agency starts.

Ron. · 03-20-2016, 02:53 PM

Just got to free agency of the next season. Same thing. Puig ends up signing 1yr/10.5m. Bryce Harper signs a 1yr/20.4m deal coming off a 9.4 win season. He was initially asking for 50+m a year.

Habsfan18 · 03-20-2016, 03:32 PM

I remember free agent demands were a pretty big problem when 16 was released as well but was eventually tweaked through patches.

Hopefully Markus and Matt can take a look at this.

The Wolf · 03-20-2016, 03:38 PM

This is an obvious bug. They will fix it.

Matt Arnold · 03-20-2016, 03:41 PM

Won't be touching it before release time, but I imagine at some point in April or May I'll take a stab at reworking some of the FA logic to make sure cases like this don't happen except for the more marginal guys. We do still want the occasional Cruz or Desmond to be forced into a 1 year deal, but yeah, there's no way that a guy like Harper would end up taking that.

Although to be fair, the 50M ask is pretty much spot on, IMHO

Ron. · 03-20-2016, 04:00 PM

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Although to be fair, the 50M ask is pretty much spot on, IMHO

Yeh, the real issue isn't that they ask for too much, it's that they don't come down enough before the preseason (or that teams aren't willing to pay that much when maybe they should be). Then once preseason hits they come down to a more reasonable number (Harper was something like 32m 7 years), but it looks like in many cases the AI will only offer them a 1 year deal from that point.

Third, it appears that the AI will not bid up against another AI. The offseason screen showed 5 teams interested in Bryce Harper after preseason started but his final contract was less than what he was asking me for when I checked a day into the preseason.

jmuelly · 03-20-2016, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Won't be touching it before release time, but I imagine at some point in April or May I'll take a stab at reworking some of the FA logic to make sure cases like this don't happen except for the more marginal guys. We do still want the occasional Cruz or Desmond to be forced into a 1 year deal, but yeah, there's no way that a guy like Harper would end up taking that.

Although to be fair, the 50M ask is pretty much spot on, IMHO

When patches are released is it required we restart our seasons?

Matt Arnold · 03-20-2016, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jmuelly

When patches are released is it required we restart our seasons?

Every patch is different, but generally speaking, only roster updates would need you to start a new game. AI changes will simply be applied to the new game when it loads.

Habsfan18 · 03-20-2016, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Won't be touching it before release time, but I imagine at some point in April or May I'll take a stab at reworking some of the FA logic to make sure cases like this don't happen except for the more marginal guys. We do still want the occasional Cruz or Desmond to be forced into a 1 year deal, but yeah, there's no way that a guy like Harper would end up taking that.

Although to be fair, the 50M ask is pretty much spot on, IMHO

Matt, after simming the 2016 in the newest patch, free agency seems to be in line with what is expected. Strasburg 29.6 mill per season over 7 years, Bautista 22 million per over 3 years, Encarnacion 21 million per season over 3 years, Kazmir 18 million per over 2 years. Looks somewhat realistic there.

The OP was mentioning his issues taking place a few seasons down the line. Could this have to do with finances? I recall there being an issue last year (which had been fixed I believe when finances were improved) where teams just simply didn't have the available cash to sign the top tier guys. That's why they were having to settle for 1 year deals.

StanfordBerkely · 03-20-2016, 05:46 PM

A player may ask for a lot, but you might notice for players that you don't bid on, they end up signing rather early in the offseason for a price tag that's lower than their demand by about 15-20%

Either way, a huge price tag never bothers me too much because I'm only interested in signing the best of the best in FA (Bryce Harper, Jose Fernandez, etc) And I'm smart with my money so I can afford them even with a small market team.

NoOne · 03-21-2016, 12:11 AM

if you have this problem, make sure 1 or 2 teams don't have tons of available cash for FA signings.

fcabanski · 03-21-2016, 02:18 AM

I simulated up to 2048. At the start of the 2048 season there are 19 3+ star FA's.

DustinthePOWERHOUSE · 03-21-2016, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by fcabanski

I simulated up to 2048. At the start of the 2048 season there are 19 3+ star FA's.

? Are you taking about talent depletion? Cause that's not really the point of the thread?

Anyway I've always felt like free agency has worked really well actually especially because at the beginning players ask for unrealistic contracts (Bautista) and then they end up signing something much closer to reality if not under it. The fact is that's very close to how the real MLB free agency works. You don't go into free agency saying I want 20/10 you go in saying something outlandish and then negotiate.

However, the one yet deals are a different subject, but if that was with opt outs that doesn't seem so far fetched. I actually like the way it's done now though and it's lead, at least in my game, to some outlandish signings and some players having to take less than they're worth.

Markus Heinsohn · 03-21-2016, 07:31 AM

OK, I just ran a few tests here (after making some minor tweaks) and it looks like everything works as designed now.

catcherjul · 03-21-2016, 08:18 AM

So maybe its a thing that happened when there is too much cash available? Because I never saw a contract like this in my league.

Markus Heinsohn · 03-21-2016, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by catcherjul

So maybe its a thing that happened when there is too much cash available? Because I never saw a contract like this in my league.

Well, this could be fine if either a) the contract was backloaded or b) there was indeed a lot of money floating around.

catcherjul · 03-21-2016, 08:43 AM

Yep I think there were too much money floating around since his contract is 41,000,000 each year of his 7 year contract. BTW, I really like those team/player option that can be place everywhere in the contract!

I just looked at the cash per team and the half have between 50M and 100M in cash, that's the problem

Thanks Marcus

polydamas · 03-24-2016, 09:59 PM

Jake Arrieta wants a 8 year $37,000,000 contract. Lolno, we'll see what he's asking for after a a few months of being unsigned.

Edit: Just traded him and the farm for Wacha. I wasn't getting him back anyways and Wacha is really cheap.

Ron. · 03-24-2016, 10:53 PM

Since it's been bumped, I think this has been fixed. The players who do end up going to preseason without any offers get offered a more reasonable, multi-year deal now.

Curve Ball Dave · 03-24-2016, 10:59 PM

Just to add my two cents, for what it's worth, Mike Trout signed a 5 year deal for $28.7 million per year on Feb. 8 of my universe's off season.

This makes him the 10th highest paid player in the league, and the second highest paid position player behind George Brett (I import stars from the past to mix with the current players).

03-18-2016, 10:19 PM	#1
Ron. Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 148	Top free agents demanding too much $? This seems to be happening quite often in 17 so far: top free agent will demand something absurd like $40m/10years. AI will completely ignore them. Their demands scale back slowly but they are still ignored until their demands plummet when preseason hits. After a few days into the preseason their new baseline demand will be only 1 season at a fraction of their original price. I'm in the preseason of 2020 right now and I see Yasiel Puig signed for 1yr/13.8m after coming off a 6 win season. Nolan Arenado signed for 1yr/12.6m coming off 5.4 wins and a gold glove. Paul Goldschmidt signed for 1yr/10.6m coming off of 5+ wins every year of my sim. This after 2-3 win players are signing long-term $20m+/yr deals just days after free agency starts.

03-21-2016, 07:31 AM	#14
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,805	OK, I just ran a few tests here (after making some minor tweaks) and it looks like everything works as designed now. __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

03-21-2016, 08:18 AM	#15
catcherjul Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Montréal Posts: 311	So maybe its a thing that happened when there is too much cash available? Because I never saw a contract like this in my league. Attached Images

03-24-2016, 09:59 PM	#18
polydamas All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 599	Jake Arrieta wants a 8 year $37,000,000 contract. Lolno, we'll see what he's asking for after a a few months of being unsigned. Edit: Just traded him and the farm for Wacha. I wasn't getting him back anyways and Wacha is really cheap. Last edited by polydamas; 03-24-2016 at 10:08 PM.

03-24-2016, 10:59 PM	#20
Curve Ball Dave Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,336	Just to add my two cents, for what it's worth, Mike Trout signed a 5 year deal for $28.7 million per year on Feb. 8 of my universe's off season. This makes him the 10th highest paid player in the league, and the second highest paid position player behind George Brett (I import stars from the past to mix with the current players). __________________ "Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing"-Warren Spahn.

03-20-2016, 02:53 PM	#2
Ron. Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 148	Just got to free agency of the next season. Same thing. Puig ends up signing 1yr/10.5m. Bryce Harper signs a 1yr/20.4m deal coming off a 9.4 win season. He was initially asking for 50+m a year.

03-20-2016, 03:32 PM	#3
Habsfan18 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,245	I remember free agent demands were a pretty big problem when 16 was released as well but was eventually tweaked through patches. Hopefully Markus and Matt can take a look at this.

03-20-2016, 03:41 PM	#5
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,686	Won't be touching it before release time, but I imagine at some point in April or May I'll take a stab at reworking some of the FA logic to make sure cases like this don't happen except for the more marginal guys. We do still want the occasional Cruz or Desmond to be forced into a 1 year deal, but yeah, there's no way that a guy like Harper would end up taking that. Although to be fair, the 50M ask is pretty much spot on, IMHO

03-20-2016, 05:46 PM	#10
StanfordBerkely Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 62	A player may ask for a lot, but you might notice for players that you don't bid on, they end up signing rather early in the offseason for a price tag that's lower than their demand by about 15-20% Either way, a huge price tag never bothers me too much because I'm only interested in signing the best of the best in FA (Bryce Harper, Jose Fernandez, etc) And I'm smart with my money so I can afford them even with a small market team.

03-21-2016, 12:11 AM	#11
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,246	if you have this problem, make sure 1 or 2 teams don't have tons of available cash for FA signings.

03-21-2016, 02:18 AM	#12
fcabanski Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 169	I simulated up to 2048. At the start of the 2048 season there are 19 3+ star FA's.

03-21-2016, 08:43 AM	#17
catcherjul Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Montréal Posts: 311	Yep I think there were too much money floating around since his contract is 41,000,000 each year of his 7 year contract. BTW, I really like those team/player option that can be place everywhere in the contract! I just looked at the cash per team and the half have between 50M and 100M in cash, that's the problem Thanks Marcus

03-24-2016, 10:53 PM	#19
Ron. Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 148	Since it's been bumped, I think this has been fixed. The players who do end up going to preseason without any offers get offered a more reasonable, multi-year deal now.