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Old 05-04-2016, 08:38 PM   #1
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Question Feeder League Realism Question

So, suggestions wanted.

I have a fictional league with 16 teams, 5 levels of minors. It's US-based, just kind of "alternate reality". All of the teams at all levels are set up with custom unis/logos, etc.

On top of that, I do use college and feeder leagues. I have one college feeder and four HS feeders with a whole mess of teams. Can't remember the exact number, but it's enough to keep my league working well. I think it's 40 college teams and like 120 high school teams.

But the feeders are also driving me nuts. Right now, they are just set up with OOTP-generated team names and so on. So I get the right number of players, but there is no realism in the names or birth cities, etc.

I'd really like to add some realism, but I can't think of a way to make it more realistic. I'd love to use real colleges and real high schools, but how do I choose a representative sample when there are hundreds and hundreds of colleges, and thousands of high schools, and I only need 40/120?

What would you do, fellow OOTPers?
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Old 05-04-2016, 09:58 PM   #2
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I have a 16 team fictional league structure similar to yours only I am using real MLB and minor league team names.

I have an NCAA feeder league as well as high school teams that I call academy leagues. I wrestled with how to deal with the high schools and decided on the academy idea so that each of my academy leagues draw players from a different region of the USA with small percentage of foreigners from certain countries being allowed as well.

My league is based in the 1940s right now and most of the teams have some nice logos and uniforms thanks to the Retro Style Logos and Uniforms thread.

Here is an excerpt of one of the early posts in my dynasty report on this league that explains the college and academy structure and team names.







It is almost time for spring training 1939. The New York Giants are defending World Series champions after a thrilling come from behind victory over the Yankees. Harvard beat the University of Minnesota in the maximum 5 games to win the College World Series.

Since I wanted the college and high school teams to play 120 game schedules and have players available for the June draft their leagues start in mid to late January and run through until early June. I ignore the obvious weather issues for the northern based teams.

The college season is in full swing. The 36 teams are divided into two leagues with 3 divisions each. The East features the ACC, SEC and Ivy League while the Big 6, Southwest and Pac 6 represent the west. Players come from all over the country and occasionally there is a foreign player or two in the league.

Here are the standings at the 1/3 mark of the season. I put the number of national titles won by each team in brackets

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		NCAA STANDINGS Feb 23, 1939
EAST						WEST
Atlantic Coast Division				BIG SIX DIVISION
Clemson		26  14	2		Wisconsin	25 15     5
Maryland	22  18				Michigan St.	24 16
North Carolina	21  19	1		Ohio State	22 18	  2
Virginia	19  21				Michigan	19 21
NC State	18  22				Minnesota       18 22	  3	
Georgia Tech	13  27	1		Notre Dame	10 30     1

SOUTHEAST DIVISION				SOUTHWEST DIVISION
Alabama		26  14	 2		Arkansas	26 14     1
Georgia		24  16				Texas		24 16     1
Tennessee	22  18				Texas Tech	23 17
LSU		19  21	 1		Oklahoma	23 17	  3
Mississippi	17  23				Nebraska	19 21
Kentucky	15  25				Arizona State	19 21

IVY DIVISION					PACIFIC SIX DIVISION
Harvard		25  15	2		UCLA		25  15	    3
Yale		20  20	1		Washington St	20  20
Dartmouth	19  21				USC		17  23	    2
Columbia	19  21				Stanford	16  24      1
Brown		19  21	1		Oregon State	16  24      1
Princeton	16  24	3		California	14  26      1
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My universe has 5 different high school level or as I prefer to call them "Baseball Academy" level leagues. The 3 biggest leagues are the Florida Academy League, The Northeast Academy League and the Western Academy League. Each of those leagues have 2 subleagues of 8 teams each and like the college league play a 120 game schedule from late January until early June finishing with a best of 5 championship series between each sub-league winner. There is no national academy championship at this stage of the universe. There are also 2 six-team leagues: The Midwest League and the MidAtlantic League.

I have modified some of the team names recently to take advantage of the great logos, uniforms and caps created by this community.

Here is a brief look at each of the 5 leagues. I have added the current standings so you can get an idea of the team names as players progress through the league and when I reference the academy career of big leaguer.

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		FLORIDA ACADEMY STANDINGS Feb 23, 1939

Atlantic League		 W  L   GB 		Gulf League		 W  L  GB
Daytona Beach Cubs	21  9    -		Sarasota Stone Crabs	19 10   -
Palm Beach Cardinals	21 10   0.5		Bradenton Mauraders	19 10   -
Jacksonville Whales	19  9   1.0		Tallahassee Rebels	17 13  2.5
Ft Lauderdale Lobsters  14 15   6.5		Port Charlotte Anglers	16 13  3.0
Miami Beach Pelicans	13 16   7.5		Pensacola Bees		15 16  5.0
Key West Conchs		12 17   8.5		Panama City Flamingos	12 19  8.0
Orlando Sun Sox		12 19   9.5		St Petersburg Redbirds	10 18  8.5
Jupiter Hammerheads	 6 23  14.5		Lakeland Pilots		10 19  9.0
The Florida Academy League draws players from across the southeastern United States and an occassional player or two from Carribean countries. One such foreign player made a big impact in the most recent World Series as Celerino Ochoa, a native of Cuba, went 14 for 32 with 2 homeruns and 9 rbi's to help the New York Giants beat the Yankees in a 7 game World Series. The 33 year old Ochoa got his start in baseball with the Bradenton Mauraders before being selected by the Giants in the second round of the 1925 draft.

The two most dominant teams in the Florida Academy League are the Pensacola Bees and the Jacksonville Whales. The Bees have won 11 Gulf League titles in the 38 years of the league along with 7 Florida Series titles. The Whales have won 10 pennants in the Atlantic League including the last 2 in a row and have 4 Florida Series titles to their credit.


The Northeast League has developed more pro players than any of the 5 Academy Leagues. It is comprised of players born in the northeastern United States with the occasional Canadian also entering the league. The 2 leagues are called the Cape Cod League and the Metro NY League.

Here are the current standings for this season to give you a full list of teams in the league.

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		NORTHEAST ACADEMY STANDINGS Feb 23, 1939

CAPE COD LEAGUE		 W  L   GB 		METRO NY League		 W  L  GB
Cotuit Kettlers		19 10    -		Brooklyn Bees		18 11   -
Bourne Braves		18 13   2.0		Staten Island Ports	16 13   2.0
Falmouth Commodores	16 13	3.0		Long Island Ducks	16 13   2.0
Chatham Anglers		17 14   3.0		Bronx Bombers		17 14   2.0
Brewster Whitecaps	13 16   6.0		Queens Monarchs		15 13   2.5
Yarmouth Red Sox	13 17   6.5		Manhattan Pigeons	14 16   4.5
Harwich Mariners	12 17   7.0		Coney Island Tigers	12 19   7.0
Hyannis Harbor Hawks	10 18   8.5		Yonkers Bears		10 19   8.0
The league has been quite balanced over its previous 38 years with every team winning at least one pennant and only Brooklyn and Coney Island failing to win a Northeast Series title. The Yarmouth-Dennis Red Sox of the Cape Cod League led the way with 6 Northeast Championships (and 9 pennants). Long Island tops the Metro League with 9 pennants and is one 4 teams to win 4 Northeast Series Championships - joined by Brewster, Cotuit and Manhattan.


The Western Academy League is the last of the 3 16-team groupings. Players come from the southwest and pacific United States as well as a few from Mexico. The Los Angeles Chargers were the first dynasty as they won 6 pennants and 4 Western Series in the league's first 6 years of existence from 1901-06. Since then it has been mainly hard times for the Chargers squad but their 6 Western Series titles and 10 Pacific League pennants still top the loop. Two Desert League teams in the Utah Stars and Central Texas Comets are tied for second with 5 Western Series titles each.

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		WESTERN ACADEMY STANDINGS Feb 23, 1939

PACIFIC LEAGUE		 W  L   GB 		DESERT LEAGUE		 W  L  GB
Hawaii Islanders	22  6    -		Austin Marshalls	16 12    -
Dakota Loggers		20 10  3.0		Salt Lake Gulls		15 14   1.5
Northern Cal Stars	16 13  6.5		North Texas Cubs	15 14   1.5
San Francisco Miners	14 15  8.5		New Mexico Aztecs	15 14   1.5
Oregon Timbers		13 16  9.5		Oklahoma Oilers		15 15   2.0
Arizona Desert Dogs	12 17 10.5		West Texas Spiders	15 16   2.5
California Seals	11 20 12.5		Central Texas Comets	14 15   2.5
Los Angeles Chargers	10 21 13.5		Utah Stars		13 18   4.5
The player to watch in the Pacific League is 18 year old Hawaii Islanders outfielder Sam Fuller. A winner of back to back Pacific League MVP's, the 6'3" native of San Marcos, California is expected to be a sure fire first round back in the major league draft. He is hitting .415 with 11 homers and 39 rbi's in 28 games and plays at a very hitter friendly park which means he has an outside chance of surpassing Charlie Mongan (now with Cleveland Indians) mark of 107 career homeruns. Fuller presently sits at 70.

Sam Herrera has all the makings of being a future major league superstar and is the player to keep an eye on in the Desert League. Just 16 years old and, like Fuller a native of San Marcos, California, the righthander has taken the Desert loop by storm going 6-0 with a 2.21 era in his first 7 starts and is a big reason why the Austin Marshalls are in first place.


The other two Academy Leagues consist of just 6 teams each and while they both still play 120 game seasons, neither has a post-season. The Midwest Academy League consists of players from the midwestern United States as well as Ontario, Canada while the MidAtlantic League features players from the atlantic area states.

Here are the current standings in each league

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MIDWEST ACADEMY STANDINGS Feb 23, 1939

			 W  L   GB 
St Louis Arches		11  6    -
Fort Wayne Tincaps	10  7   1.0
Ohio Redcoats		 9  8   2.0
Pennsylvania Nationals	 8  9   3.0
Michigan Lakers		 8  9   3.0
Chicagoland Bombers	 5 12   6.0


MID-ATLANTIC ACADEMY STANDINGS Feb 23, 1939

			   W  L   GB 
Carolina Kings		  11  6    -
Virigina Beach Colonials  10  7   1.0
Washington DC Chiefs	   9  8   2.0
Philadelphia Quakers	   7 10   4.0
Milford Sandpipers	   7 10   4.0
District Capitals	   7 10   4.0
The Pennsylvania Nationals have won 6 of the last 9 Midwest Academy titles and 14 overall. Fort Wayne, on the strength of 2 championships in the past 3 years is now second with 8 league crowns.

The Carolina Kings have dominated the Mid-Atlantic Academy loop winning 12 league titles. The Quakers, with 7, are next followed by the 6 won by Virginia Beach.
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Similar to what Tiger Fan has done above but I made all the feeder league teams to area baseball academies and I differentiated between HS and COL by making them Junior and Senior Baseball Academies.

So I would either have the academies based in states or regions....ie New England Senior Academy along with Maine, Rhode Island, New Hampshire Junior Academies. Or a California Senior Academy while splitting up Calif with multiple Junior Academies.

You could mix in some regular schools too (would maybe be some school leagues).

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For my 64 college team feeder league I took the top 100 college baseball programs plus some teams I was going to include regardless (hello Ivy league) and dwindled it down to a shortened NCAA universe of 8 conferences that have 8 teams each. The top 4 from each conference go on to their conference playoffs and the conference winners then to the college world series. I was able to do that with custom playoffs and I'm fine with that.

For my high school feeder I was going to state area teams throughout the country with no playoffs but the academy idea sounds interesting. I do have an academy setup for my mexican high school feeder for my mexican league. For my Japanese and Korean leagues I have high schools and took some real high schools that made it to their countries tournaments and just plopped them in. They compete in a very shortened high school tournament for their playoffs just like they do in real life but on a much smaller scale.

You'll go nuts trying to make sure it's all realistic but for feeders you have to live with some compromises.

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Old 05-06-2016, 04:25 PM   #5
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I have an NCAA feeder league as well as high school teams that I call academy leagues. I wrestled with how to deal with the high schools and decided on the academy idea so that each of my academy leagues draw players from a different region of the USA with small percentage of foreigners from certain countries being allowed as well.
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So in order for your regional academies to only draw players from that region you have to have it as a seperate league. That sounds like fun but I can't imagine having that many high school feeder leagues. It's cleaner for me to have one giant one. Too bad you just can't have one big leauge and set it so those teams draw from their local region. I think I'm going to follow your model but have it as one league and not worry too much that the Florida academy has kids from Nebraska and Utah.
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For my 64 college team feeder league I took the top 100 college baseball programs plus some teams I was going to include regardless (hello Ivy league) and dwindled it down to a shortened NCAA universe of 8 conferences that have 8 teams each. The top 4 from each conference go on to their conference playoffs and the conference winners then to the college world series. I was able to do that with custom playoffs and I'm fine with that.

For my high school feeder I was going to state area teams throughout the country with no playoffs but the academy idea sounds interesting. I do have an academy setup for my mexican high school feeder for my mexican league. For my Japanese and Korean leagues I have high schools and took some real high schools that made it to their countries tournaments and just plopped them in. They compete in a very shortened high school tournament for their playoffs just like they do in real life but on a much smaller scale.

You'll go nuts trying to make sure it's all realistic but for feeders you have to live with some compromises.


This is awesome. Any chance you can share the 64 that made the cut? Mine is pretty close to that number, that would help me a lot.
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Jesus Tiger Fan, that is quite some level of detail, thanks!!!!
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I used this list to get my 64. It's pretty recent and the cool thing is you can copy their list and paste to excel so you can do sorting and filters.

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I love the academy idea for HS feeders. I'mma gonna steal it.
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