Trade Frequency

DG18 · 04-26-2018, 09:34 AM

In my first season (MLB Quickstart), there were only about 3 trades in the final two weeks before the Trade Deadline, and none of them were very big deals. This just seemed really low, so I was wondering what other results people were getting. I haven't touched the trade frequency settings, but maybe changing them throughout the year is the way to go. I'm also not sure if this makes a difference, but for difficulty I'm using Hard/Neutral.

Orcin · 04-26-2018, 10:00 AM

I have noticed that the trade frequency average setting results in fewer trades with this year’s version.

BBGiovanni · 04-26-2018, 10:26 AM

This to me is a feature and not a bug, I always turn AI trading all the way down because I get mad at all the AI "Manny Machado for Matt Reynolds and a hot dog vendor" deals the AI loves so much.

Edit: some people do this but change the AI trade frequency to the highest setting on July 1 to mimic deadline frenzy, so you can consider that.

hluraven · 04-26-2018, 10:34 AM

I set the trade frequency to the highest setting (very high) at all times. Last deadline day saw zero deals. MLB default start, apart from the frequency.

I have never seen in OOTP19 a trade where a team who is out of contention trades away a free agent to be, or a contending team picking up anyone to strengthen. AI trades are way way down (on the default, I had two trades in the entire month up to and including the deadline), and they are almost always one or two for one or two players - and of equal current value (ie reliever for hitter, not current players for prospects).

I've also never seen a trade after the non-waiver deadline - irl there are many such as the Verlander one.

actionjackson · 04-26-2018, 11:04 AM

I've noticed that trades are down too. It's probably a case of us not being able to have it both ways. In most of the previous versions, the complaint seemed to always be that there were too many trades, so I guess Markus or another one of the OOTP developers decided to make a change and turn it down, hoping to satisfy those that complained that there were too many. See here for somebody who thinks he's getting too many trade offers in OOTP19. What are the developers supposed to do? You can see the conundrum. You can't please everyone. Try different settings and see what works for you. When I used the "low" setting in a 40-year test sim, I wound up with slightly over 200 trades in total, which is a little over 5 per season, so I will be adjusting upward. Like BBGiovanni, I don't enjoy seeing some of the ridiculousness that can come with that ("Manny Machado for Matt Reynolds and a hot dog vendor" - LOL!), but it appears I will have to adjust upward for this version. I'll go to average first, and check out how it does over the first ten seasons, and adjust from there.

actionjackson · 04-26-2018, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hluraven

I set the trade frequency to the highest setting (very high) at all times. Last deadline day saw zero deals. MLB default start, apart from the frequency.

I have never seen in OOTP19 a trade where a team who is out of contention trades away a free agent to be, or a contending team picking up anyone to strengthen. AI trades are way way down (on the default, I had two trades in the entire month up to and including the deadline), and they are almost always one or two for one or two players - and of equal current value (ie reliever for hitter, not current players for prospects).

I've also never seen a trade after the non-waiver deadline - irl there are many such as the Verlander one.

The reason for no Verlander type trades (i.e. trades after the deadline), I would imagine, is that that would be a major PITA to code probably to the extent that the cost is not worth the benefit. Yes, I know it's not what goes on IRL, but there are limits even for a computer simulation of RL that is as thorough and comprehensive as OOTP. Just my

hluraven · 04-26-2018, 11:59 AM

I'm happy for a balance, but when the highest possible setting is leading to massively less than realistic, there is a problem. If that was the middle setting, fine. Not the top setting.

For the regular trades, I'm not so fussed about the waiver ones for the reasons you mentioned.

DG18 · 04-26-2018, 12:14 PM

I should note that from about July 15th on, I received about one trade request a day. I'm fine with receiving a lot of trade requests, but I would like to see more trades between AI teams. I think for next season I will try bumping up the frequency in June and July to see if that has any effect.

mmarra82 · 04-26-2018, 02:35 PM

Is this happening despite the latest patch? What settings are you using for trades with the latest patch? Average?

DG18 · 04-26-2018, 08:12 PM

I'm using whatever the default setting is, and about the last two weeks before the deadline were after the patch. The rest of my season was before the patch.

Qeltar · 04-26-2018, 08:34 PM

In my game it's July 22 and to be honest, I'm surprised there hasn't been more trade activity. I mean I am initiating quite a few because I'm a wheeler-dealer but I am not seeing many other trades come across the wire.

As a team (barely) in first place I expected to receive tons of trade offers of useful veterans who will soon be FAs from teams who are out of it but looking for prospects, but nothing really. Maybe special logic for the trade deadline isn't coded in?

I read that IRL activity around the trade deadline has diminished since the expansion of the playoffs. With two wildcards there are now just more teams that are in the hunt longer than before.

In my universe for example, Toronto is well back of the Yankees (and Red Sox) but when I asked about trading for Donaldson they acted like I asked for a kidney. But they are 7 games back and I guess they still have a chance.

OTOH, the Rays are under .500 and do not, but have no interest in dumping Wilson Ramos's remaining two months (and prorated $10m salary) unless I give them one of my best players (with 3-4 years of team control remaining). Yeah, right.

DG18 · 05-13-2018, 12:54 AM

Just simulated my first Winter Meetings and there wasn't a whole lot of trading either. The trades that did happen were pretty irrelevant. Does anyone tinker with trade frequency during the offseason?

Clavette · 05-13-2018, 07:47 AM

Ive had and have seen a few post trade deadline waiver trades. Only a small amount but nevertheless they happen.

I dont change the trade frequency but i do bump the deadline back 2 weeks. Makes much more sense to me to allow another few teams to basically be out of the playoffs. Wish mlb would consider the same

rjl518 · 05-13-2018, 10:16 AM

in my seasons, I start the trade frequency at LOW.
then move to NORMAL for may
HIGH for June
VERY HIGH for July
then back to VERY LOW for August and September.
I get some interesting trades but still, not the excitement that we really get during the actual season.
I have to do this manually.
Maybe in a future version, trading and injury frequency could be modified automatically thru a season.
an option of course

Qeltar · 05-13-2018, 10:30 AM

Does this control frequency of trades between AI and the player, or between AI teams?

It's the latter that I find way too low in my game.

Snider&Hodges · 05-13-2018, 12:10 PM

Don't AI GMs have a Trade Frequency setting bar within their own strategy settings and characteristics? What if you jacked them all the way up for all AI GMs? I imagine that might make a difference too.

dodger300 · 05-13-2018, 01:32 PM

The date in my game is July 21st. Only one trade so far this season for the entire season. I am playing a standard MLB game, manage only, converted from OOTP 18. In18 my GM always did a pretty good job of trying to fill the holes in my roster in month of July. Just yesterday before I saw this post I went into settings to make sure I had trade frequency set to average. After seeing this I will set to very high. A total of one trade for entire league on July 21st is not average.

Critical Mass · 05-13-2018, 07:29 PM

One thing I have noticed is that in the past, Roughly 25% of the teams had a "Win Now" mentality, 25% were "Rebuilding", and the rest were normal.

Ive noticed that in 19, hardly anybody is Rebuilding. Even teams 20GB at the trade deadline still think they have a chance.

Maybe this is the issue?

hluraven · 05-14-2018, 05:34 AM

I posted in the bugs forum and Matt said they were looking into AI trade frequency.

I'm in 2022 from a standard MLB start with trading at very high. 2022 I had a total of one trade from March 1st through June 1st.

Across the 4 seasons, there has not been a single trade with a team out of contention trading away an expiring contract, or a team in contention strengthening. Every single trade (out of not many) has been like for like in terms of current ability in the history of my league, just swapping positions, or hitting for pitching.

jfb8300 · 05-14-2018, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Critical Mass

One thing I have noticed is that in the past, Roughly 25% of the teams had a "Win Now" mentality, 25% were "Rebuilding", and the rest were normal.

Ive noticed that in 19, hardly anybody is Rebuilding. Even teams 20GB at the trade deadline still think they have a chance.

Maybe this is the issue?

Seeing this too, very few rebuilds.

04-26-2018, 09:34 AM	#1
DG18 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 204	Trade Frequency In my first season (MLB Quickstart), there were only about 3 trades in the final two weeks before the Trade Deadline, and none of them were very big deals. This just seemed really low, so I was wondering what other results people were getting. I haven't touched the trade frequency settings, but maybe changing them throughout the year is the way to go. I'm also not sure if this makes a difference, but for difficulty I'm using Hard/Neutral.

04-26-2018, 10:26 AM	#3
BBGiovanni All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Republic of California Posts: 1,910	This to me is a feature and not a bug, I always turn AI trading all the way down because I get mad at all the AI "Manny Machado for Matt Reynolds and a hot dog vendor" deals the AI loves so much. Edit: some people do this but change the AI trade frequency to the highest setting on July 1 to mimic deadline frenzy, so you can consider that. __________________ Let's Go (San Jose) Giants, Let's Go Mets! Current Project: WBAT/AABBA: Organized Base Ball And the "New Normal" World Baseball Aid Tournament 2023 trophy round underway! Last edited by BBGiovanni; 04-26-2018 at 10:28 AM.

04-26-2018, 11:04 AM	#5
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,181	I've noticed that trades are down too. It's probably a case of us not being able to have it both ways. In most of the previous versions, the complaint seemed to always be that there were too many trades, so I guess Markus or another one of the OOTP developers decided to make a change and turn it down, hoping to satisfy those that complained that there were too many. See here for somebody who thinks he's getting too many trade offers in OOTP19. What are the developers supposed to do? You can see the conundrum. You can't please everyone. Try different settings and see what works for you. When I used the "low" setting in a 40-year test sim, I wound up with slightly over 200 trades in total, which is a little over 5 per season, so I will be adjusting upward. Like BBGiovanni, I don't enjoy seeing some of the ridiculousness that can come with that ("Manny Machado for Matt Reynolds and a hot dog vendor" - LOL!), but it appears I will have to adjust upward for this version. I'll go to average first, and check out how it does over the first ten seasons, and adjust from there. Last edited by actionjackson; 04-26-2018 at 11:16 AM.

04-26-2018, 08:34 PM	#11
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	In my game it's July 22 and to be honest, I'm surprised there hasn't been more trade activity. I mean I am initiating quite a few because I'm a wheeler-dealer but I am not seeing many other trades come across the wire. As a team (barely) in first place I expected to receive tons of trade offers of useful veterans who will soon be FAs from teams who are out of it but looking for prospects, but nothing really. Maybe special logic for the trade deadline isn't coded in? I read that IRL activity around the trade deadline has diminished since the expansion of the playoffs. With two wildcards there are now just more teams that are in the hunt longer than before. In my universe for example, Toronto is well back of the Yankees (and Red Sox) but when I asked about trading for Donaldson they acted like I asked for a kidney. But they are 7 games back and I guess they still have a chance. OTOH, the Rays are under .500 and do not, but have no interest in dumping Wilson Ramos's remaining two months (and prorated $10m salary) unless I give them one of my best players (with 3-4 years of team control remaining). Yeah, right. Last edited by Qeltar; 04-26-2018 at 08:39 PM.

05-13-2018, 10:16 AM	#14
rjl518 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Born in Shea Stadium, lives in LoanDepot Park. Posts: 6,243	in my seasons, I start the trade frequency at LOW. then move to NORMAL for may HIGH for June VERY HIGH for July then back to VERY LOW for August and September. I get some interesting trades but still, not the excitement that we really get during the actual season. I have to do this manually. Maybe in a future version, trading and injury frequency could be modified automatically thru a season. an option of course __________________ My Threads: MLB Project 32 by SFGiants58 "Colon looking for his 1st hit of the year and he DRIVES ONE! Deep left field! Back goes Upton! Back near the wall! ITS OUTTA HERE!!! Bartolo has done it!!! THE IMPOSSIBLE HAS HAPPENED!!! This is one of the great moments in the history of baseball! Bartolo Colon has gone deep!" ---Gary Cohen. (May 7, 2016) (Petco Park) NYM 6 @ SD 3

04-26-2018, 10:00 AM	#2
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,872	I have noticed that the trade frequency average setting results in fewer trades with this year’s version.

04-26-2018, 10:34 AM	#4
hluraven Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 355	I set the trade frequency to the highest setting (very high) at all times. Last deadline day saw zero deals. MLB default start, apart from the frequency. I have never seen in OOTP19 a trade where a team who is out of contention trades away a free agent to be, or a contending team picking up anyone to strengthen. AI trades are way way down (on the default, I had two trades in the entire month up to and including the deadline), and they are almost always one or two for one or two players - and of equal current value (ie reliever for hitter, not current players for prospects). I've also never seen a trade after the non-waiver deadline - irl there are many such as the Verlander one.

04-26-2018, 11:59 AM	#7
hluraven Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 355	I'm happy for a balance, but when the highest possible setting is leading to massively less than realistic, there is a problem. If that was the middle setting, fine. Not the top setting. For the regular trades, I'm not so fussed about the waiver ones for the reasons you mentioned.

04-26-2018, 12:14 PM	#8
DG18 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 204	I should note that from about July 15th on, I received about one trade request a day. I'm fine with receiving a lot of trade requests, but I would like to see more trades between AI teams. I think for next season I will try bumping up the frequency in June and July to see if that has any effect.

04-26-2018, 02:35 PM	#9
mmarra82 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 310	Is this happening despite the latest patch? What settings are you using for trades with the latest patch? Average?

04-26-2018, 08:12 PM	#10
DG18 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 204	I'm using whatever the default setting is, and about the last two weeks before the deadline were after the patch. The rest of my season was before the patch.

05-13-2018, 12:54 AM	#12
DG18 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 204	Just simulated my first Winter Meetings and there wasn't a whole lot of trading either. The trades that did happen were pretty irrelevant. Does anyone tinker with trade frequency during the offseason?

05-13-2018, 07:47 AM	#13
Clavette Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Connecticut Posts: 371	Ive had and have seen a few post trade deadline waiver trades. Only a small amount but nevertheless they happen. I dont change the trade frequency but i do bump the deadline back 2 weeks. Makes much more sense to me to allow another few teams to basically be out of the playoffs. Wish mlb would consider the same

05-13-2018, 10:30 AM	#15
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	Does this control frequency of trades between AI and the player, or between AI teams? It's the latter that I find way too low in my game.

05-13-2018, 12:10 PM	#16
Snider&Hodges Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Maryland Posts: 68	Don't AI GMs have a Trade Frequency setting bar within their own strategy settings and characteristics? What if you jacked them all the way up for all AI GMs? I imagine that might make a difference too.

05-13-2018, 01:32 PM	#17
dodger300 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 268	The date in my game is July 21st. Only one trade so far this season for the entire season. I am playing a standard MLB game, manage only, converted from OOTP 18. In18 my GM always did a pretty good job of trying to fill the holes in my roster in month of July. Just yesterday before I saw this post I went into settings to make sure I had trade frequency set to average. After seeing this I will set to very high. A total of one trade for entire league on July 21st is not average.

05-13-2018, 07:29 PM	#18
Critical Mass Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 273	One thing I have noticed is that in the past, Roughly 25% of the teams had a "Win Now" mentality, 25% were "Rebuilding", and the rest were normal. Ive noticed that in 19, hardly anybody is Rebuilding. Even teams 20GB at the trade deadline still think they have a chance. Maybe this is the issue?

05-14-2018, 05:34 AM	#19
hluraven Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 355	I posted in the bugs forum and Matt said they were looking into AI trade frequency. I'm in 2022 from a standard MLB start with trading at very high. 2022 I had a total of one trade from March 1st through June 1st. Across the 4 seasons, there has not been a single trade with a team out of contention trading away an expiring contract, or a team in contention strengthening. Every single trade (out of not many) has been like for like in terms of current ability in the history of my league, just swapping positions, or hitting for pitching.