Perfect Team is Killing Online Leagues

WBTyler939 · 02-24-2019, 09:51 AM

Ever since PT was released, not only have my online leagues been losing players, but we can't seem to recruit new ones either. I'm hearing the same thing from people in other online leagues, to the point that leagues are shutting down because they can't get new owners to join. I have to imagine this is because people are opting to play PT instead, since it's more or less an online league. I'm hoping that the release of OOTP20 will reignite interest in online leagues, but I'm not optimistic. Hopefully PT and online leagues will be able to co-exist.

Cooleyvol · 02-24-2019, 01:42 PM

PT makes money. Online leagues do not. Where do you think the vast majority of company resources will go?

daveyfire · 02-24-2019, 03:37 PM

I only buy OOTP to play online leagues, and I'm sure I'm not alone. To say online leagues don't generate money for the company is simply wrong.

Cooleyvol · 02-24-2019, 06:29 PM

Long before PT, however, online league quality took a big hit. 9 out of 10 leagues nowadays (maybe more) are MLB clones.

To me (and most older folks), these MLB clone leagues offer nothing in the way of excitement. Historic, Unique Concept Leagues, and Fictionals are almost a thing of the past and that's a BAD thing, IMO.

So couple PT, changing demographics of the game (younger), and very few leagues with any thought put into them have all contributed to the slide of online leagues for me.

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Originally Posted by daveyfire

I only buy OOTP to play online leagues, and I'm sure I'm not alone. To say online leagues don't generate money for the company is simply wrong.

I buy it for the same reason, but you miss the point of my comment.

strzepeksc · 02-24-2019, 06:53 PM

I feel the same way..........Perfect Team is now their moneymaker and OOTP Online League play takes a hit. Very disappointing/discouraging outlook!

stevem810 · 02-24-2019, 09:02 PM

Agree, P.T. will have an impact on 'on-line leagues'. There may be fewer on-line leagues because of the additional choices that are available, yet I'd be surprised if there was a major correction to the amount of leagues. My observation is that on-line leagues have struggled to fill open positions far before P.T.came on the scene.

I'm a long time fictional on-line league participant since OOTP13. My first few weeks of P.T. I wondered if my interest might wane a bit with on-line leagues because P.T. was so much fun.

After several weeks playing P.T. I realize that there is no way it can replace on-line leagues for me. They are different experiences requiring a different set of skills. If anything, I like and appreciate the on-line league even more, having played both. I have two P.T. teams now, but, will only have one when the next version is released.

The game company has simply expanded its offerings just as it has expanded the original games features. I don't think anyone really knows how P.T. will affect on-line leagues, solo play, etc., until more time has elapsed.

As far as the game company goes, it benefits their position to keep all facets of the game dynamic and vibrant. To date, they have presented excellent formats for the old (i.e. ver. 19) and the new (Perfect Team).

Bristolduke · 02-25-2019, 03:19 PM

I see two problems the on-line leagues have to address. We may be able to do that ourselves, with a little help from the developers.

That is helping stir interest in the on-line world. Not with features at the moment, but maybe thru a repository. We all know the on-line community has been reducing. Leagues struggle. Part of it are related to the issues stated here, and others. If leagues are looking for players, then maybe we need to be aware of leagues folding or in trouble or just looking for players. An inventory (yes we had that in the past, based upon type.

For example, I run two leagues down from 3, neither of which are current year MLB leagues. One is in year 35 and one is finishing year 2. What might help is a place where players can go to find leagues, vice leagues advertising only. The other benefit might also be where leagues could combine, a little tricky but the overall health might be better if there were fewer partially filled leagues.

The second problem is versions. Leagues are reluctant to move to a current version because of the lack of stability, at least for a few months. This was even worse this year with 19 where files were suddenly not compatible.

Those wanting current league on-line setups will always go for the current release, but if we could improve our advertising of old version leagues, and or if there was a way to maintain a file compatibility (even with a limitation of functionality), then maybe the drain on players would not be so bad.

Just some thoughts because the third problem is not solvable. Aging players. I have enjoyed playing with various friends for almost 20 years. I am now retired and I know others are as well. We need a way to pass the torch a bit.

Nersha · 02-25-2019, 05:06 PM

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mavericktango · 02-25-2019, 06:17 PM

I think a lot of online leagues were struggling to fill open slots some time before Perfect Team, the pool of people wanting to play in online leagues has been dying for a few editions now Perfect team has just exasperated it . We have a section right here on the forum to advertise vacancies in online leagues .... it's called Online leagues

Cooleyvol · 02-25-2019, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristolduke

I see two problems the on-line leagues have to address. We may be able to do that ourselves, with a little help from the developers.

That is helping stir interest in the on-line world. Not with features at the moment, but maybe thru a repository. We all know the on-line community has been reducing. Leagues struggle. Part of it are related to the issues stated here, and others. If leagues are looking for players, then maybe we need to be aware of leagues folding or in trouble or just looking for players. An inventory (yes we had that in the past, based upon type.

For example, I run two leagues down from 3, neither of which are current year MLB leagues. One is in year 35 and one is finishing year 2. What might help is a place where players can go to find leagues, vice leagues advertising only. The other benefit might also be where leagues could combine, a little tricky but the overall health might be better if there were fewer partially filled leagues.

The second problem is versions. Leagues are reluctant to move to a current version because of the lack of stability, at least for a few months. This was even worse this year with 19 where files were suddenly not compatible.

Those wanting current league on-line setups will always go for the current release, but if we could improve our advertising of old version leagues, and or if there was a way to maintain a file compatibility (even with a limitation of functionality), then maybe the drain on players would not be so bad.

Just some thoughts because the third problem is not solvable. Aging players. I have enjoyed playing with various friends for almost 20 years. I am now retired and I know others are as well. We need a way to pass the torch a bit.

I agree with the league repository or website listing active leagues and their format/version/description.

I would donate the space/url for such a website, BUT, the game would need to give us a link on the opening screen of the game. That's vital to giving everyone a quick and easy way to the league vault.

Markus/Andreas, could we get such a link on the opening screen? The online league portion of your software is slowing fading away.

02-24-2019, 09:51 AM	#1
WBTyler939 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 90	Perfect Team is Killing Online Leagues Ever since PT was released, not only have my online leagues been losing players, but we can't seem to recruit new ones either. I'm hearing the same thing from people in other online leagues, to the point that leagues are shutting down because they can't get new owners to join. I have to imagine this is because people are opting to play PT instead, since it's more or less an online league. I'm hoping that the release of OOTP20 will reignite interest in online leagues, but I'm not optimistic. Hopefully PT and online leagues will be able to co-exist.

02-24-2019, 06:53 PM	#5
strzepeksc All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 636	OOTP Online Leagues Now On Back-Burner I feel the same way..........Perfect Team is now their moneymaker and OOTP Online League play takes a hit. Very disappointing/discouraging outlook!

02-24-2019, 09:02 PM	#6
stevem810 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sarasota Posts: 1,937	Agree, P.T. will have an impact on 'on-line leagues'. There may be fewer on-line leagues because of the additional choices that are available, yet I'd be surprised if there was a major correction to the amount of leagues. My observation is that on-line leagues have struggled to fill open positions far before P.T.came on the scene. I'm a long time fictional on-line league participant since OOTP13. My first few weeks of P.T. I wondered if my interest might wane a bit with on-line leagues because P.T. was so much fun. After several weeks playing P.T. I realize that there is no way it can replace on-line leagues for me. They are different experiences requiring a different set of skills. If anything, I like and appreciate the on-line league even more, having played both. I have two P.T. teams now, but, will only have one when the next version is released. The game company has simply expanded its offerings just as it has expanded the original games features. I don't think anyone really knows how P.T. will affect on-line leagues, solo play, etc., until more time has elapsed. As far as the game company goes, it benefits their position to keep all facets of the game dynamic and vibrant. To date, they have presented excellent formats for the old (i.e. ver. 19) and the new (Perfect Team). __________________ Julien Henri Version 21 https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...22#post4626122 Michigan Town Ball https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...28#post4630528

02-25-2019, 03:19 PM	#7
Bristolduke All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,409	I see two problems the on-line leagues have to address. We may be able to do that ourselves, with a little help from the developers. That is helping stir interest in the on-line world. Not with features at the moment, but maybe thru a repository. We all know the on-line community has been reducing. Leagues struggle. Part of it are related to the issues stated here, and others. If leagues are looking for players, then maybe we need to be aware of leagues folding or in trouble or just looking for players. An inventory (yes we had that in the past, based upon type. For example, I run two leagues down from 3, neither of which are current year MLB leagues. One is in year 35 and one is finishing year 2. What might help is a place where players can go to find leagues, vice leagues advertising only. The other benefit might also be where leagues could combine, a little tricky but the overall health might be better if there were fewer partially filled leagues. The second problem is versions. Leagues are reluctant to move to a current version because of the lack of stability, at least for a few months. This was even worse this year with 19 where files were suddenly not compatible. Those wanting current league on-line setups will always go for the current release, but if we could improve our advertising of old version leagues, and or if there was a way to maintain a file compatibility (even with a limitation of functionality), then maybe the drain on players would not be so bad. Just some thoughts because the third problem is not solvable. Aging players. I have enjoyed playing with various friends for almost 20 years. I am now retired and I know others are as well. We need a way to pass the torch a bit. __________________ Commish of the Home Nations Baseball Association Commish of the Baseball Association League Commish of the League of WAR Commish of the On-Line Dynasty League SIMBL2 - Westbury Cannons Great Lakes Baseball - Toledo Neptunes World Baseball - Guantanamo Marines OMLB - Cincinnati Reds

02-25-2019, 05:06 PM	#8
Nersha Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Canada Posts: 163	. Last edited by Nersha; 08-19-2022 at 06:23 PM. Reason: .

02-24-2019, 01:42 PM	#2
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	PT makes money. Online leagues do not. Where do you think the vast majority of company resources will go?

02-24-2019, 03:37 PM	#3
daveyfire Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3	I only buy OOTP to play online leagues, and I'm sure I'm not alone. To say online leagues don't generate money for the company is simply wrong.

02-25-2019, 06:17 PM	#9
mavericktango Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK, Europe Posts: 386	I think a lot of online leagues were struggling to fill open slots some time before Perfect Team, the pool of people wanting to play in online leagues has been dying for a few editions now Perfect team has just exasperated it . We have a section right here on the forum to advertise vacancies in online leagues .... it's called Online leagues __________________ A Lost Soul