2 questions about stats

rexrowland · 03-10-2020, 02:41 PM

REVISED -- NEW FINDING

In the first question about stats I had below, it pertained to why I might be seeing save opportunities not always equaling saves + blown saves, as it should. I just discovered why. In 100% of the cases where I found the number of save opportunities not jibing with saves & blown saves, those players all had a 3+ inning save during the season. Essentially, they were given an extra save opportunity when their save was 3 innings or more. Unless there is a valid reason for this, I presume this is an error and something that needs to be addressed in OOTP21.

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1) I have noticed when adding saves + blow saves for some pitchers, the total does not always equal the same number as save opportunities. I figured one reason might be because the pitcher did not record an out in one or more of his appearances. Would that be correct, and are there any other possible reasons these sometimes do not add up?

2) I understand JAWS to be the average of a player's career WAR and his 7-year peak WAR. However, when calculating those numbers, seldom do I get them to match what OOTP shows as a player's JAWS. Since OOTP does not show JAWS for every player who has retired in my game, how would I go about correctly calculating this for both hitters and pitchers.

Thanks.

Boomcoach · 03-11-2020, 10:33 AM

For #1, I believe that if a pitcher comes in in a save opportunity, doesn't give up the lead, but also doesn't finish the game, it would end up an Save Opportunity, but neither a Save or Blown Save.

rexrowland · 03-11-2020, 01:11 PM

But isn't that just a hold? Holds aren't supposed to count as a save opportunity in the final stats, if I'm not mistaken.

BirdWatcher · 03-13-2020, 08:45 AM

Is this possibly the answer to your JAWS question?:
https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=303201

rexrowland · 03-13-2020, 01:09 PM

Yes, I think that might be why, thank you. rWAR makes more sense with the pitchers calculations. As far as the batters JAWS being slightly off, that might be due simply to numbers not being calculated on my part because I can only see WAR with only one number after the decimal point.

03-11-2020, 10:33 AM	#2
Boomcoach All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 842	For #1, I believe that if a pitcher comes in in a save opportunity, doesn't give up the lead, but also doesn't finish the game, it would end up an Save Opportunity, but neither a Save or Blown Save. __________________

03-11-2020, 01:11 PM	#3
rexrowland Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 95	But isn't that just a hold? Holds aren't supposed to count as a save opportunity in the final stats, if I'm not mistaken. Last edited by rexrowland; 03-11-2020 at 01:13 PM.

03-13-2020, 08:45 AM	#4
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03-10-2020, 02:41 PM	#1
rexrowland Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 95	2 questions about stats REVISED -- NEW FINDING In the first question about stats I had below, it pertained to why I might be seeing save opportunities not always equaling saves + blown saves, as it should. I just discovered why. In 100% of the cases where I found the number of save opportunities not jibing with saves & blown saves, those players all had a 3+ inning save during the season. Essentially, they were given an extra save opportunity when their save was 3 innings or more. Unless there is a valid reason for this, I presume this is an error and something that needs to be addressed in OOTP21. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) I have noticed when adding saves + blow saves for some pitchers, the total does not always equal the same number as save opportunities. I figured one reason might be because the pitcher did not record an out in one or more of his appearances. Would that be correct, and are there any other possible reasons these sometimes do not add up? 2) I understand JAWS to be the average of a player's career WAR and his 7-year peak WAR. However, when calculating those numbers, seldom do I get them to match what OOTP shows as a player's JAWS. Since OOTP does not show JAWS for every player who has retired in my game, how would I go about correctly calculating this for both hitters and pitchers. Thanks. Last edited by rexrowland; 03-12-2020 at 12:27 PM.

03-13-2020, 01:09 PM	#5
rexrowland Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 95	Yes, I think that might be why, thank you. rWAR makes more sense with the pitchers calculations. As far as the batters JAWS being slightly off, that might be due simply to numbers not being calculated on my part because I can only see WAR with only one number after the decimal point.